Who else wants to see LBJ win it all just so...

[Professor Emeritus]

Jordan, Magic, Bird and all these consensus greatest players of all time choose Kobe. I'm not going to argue with them like I know what it takes and I see more than they do.

We'll just ignore for the fact that most of what you're thinking about was said before Lebron won back-to-back championships with a couple of the greatest seasons ever. Or that Kobe's legacy is already written, while Lebron's is still in progress.

WTF should we think that what these guys claim to believe is relevant? Every one of those guys is competative as hell and going to be thinking about themselves when they make that pick.

Jordan will never choose anyone other than Kobe, because Kobe is the perfect guy for Jordan to rep - he spent his whole career trying to mimic Jordan in every way, yet clearly failed to ever match Jordan in any way. There isn't a better possible guy to try to claim as the best of his era, because it just makes you look that much better.

And Magic is a hard-core Laker, so you know he's not picking anyone else. And no one is ever going to think that Kobe was a better Laker than Magic.

Bird is getting himself passed up as the greatest small forward ever, so you know he hot. You think he's going to say, "Lebron is a better small forward than I ever was"?

Magic and Jordan are two of the top-5 greatest players ever, and Bird is top-10. They'll keep repping their little brother who will never threaten their own legacy all the way to their graves. But when it comes to honest public legacy evaluation, why should I suddenly think that Jordan, Magic, and Bird are especially competent or believable?

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

They want our approval so bad

#LWO
#TheGoatStanchise

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe apparently was carried to 3 rings, so he said fukk Shaq I can win as the lead man, and did, twice, back to back. Which one of them sound like the man you want leading your team?

You do realize that Lebron also went and won as the lead man, twice, back to back, right? And he didn't have Phil Jackson at the helm coaching the team or a competent center or point guard either.

 

[High quality poster]

You do realize that Lebron also went and won as the lead man, twice, back to back, right? And he didn't have Phil Jackson at the helm coaching the team or a competent center or point guard either.

Yea but it's not like he didn't have the fukking 3rd greatest SG of all time and a 20 &10 PF, and another all time great SG(probably the greatest 3pt shooter of all time, also the man that saved his ass)



So with that bullshyt.

You can't just look at stats either, the team catered to Lebron's (pound the ball) playstyle because they saw what happened in 2011 when Wade pretty much had the FMVP wrapped up and Lebron realized he was gonna be officially Scottie Pippen so he quit on the team.

 

[James Genius]

lebron never scored 81 pts in a basketball game doe..

 

[BujuBoombastic]

I acknowledge LBJ for putting up an historic run in today's generation. The only thing I don't like are the Bron/Kobe bandwagons. I truly believe LBJ will surpass Kobe if Bron brings his team to the promise land. I cannot denied LBJ unique basketball abilities. LBJ is in the same class as, MJ, Wilt, Shaq, Magic, Bird, Russell, Hakeem, etc.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yea but it's not like he didn't have the fukking 3rd greatest SG of all time and a 20 &10 PF, and another all time great SG(probably the greatest 3pt shooter of all time, also the man that saved his ass).

Ray Allen wasn't even on the team in 2012, and was only playing for Miami in 2013 because the Celtics demoted him to the bench for the great Avery Bradley.

Chris Bosh missed half the playoffs in the first title run and scored ZERO points in game 7 in the second title run.

Wade missed 60 games from 2012-2014, including playoff games, and his broken-ass knees meant that he was a great second fiddle but clearly not an equal during those rings. This "3rd greatest SG of all time" hasn't been past the 1st round since 2006 without Lebron.

And like I said, you still have to deal with the fact that they had a weak-ass coach and terrible centers and point guards for that entire run, not to mention Wade and Bosh's injuries.


Worst of all, your idea that Lebron purposely lost the 2011 Finals because Wade would win the FMVP is some all-time stupid shyt. You think Lebron would give up his first ring, hurt his chances of winning 5-6 rings total, make his own Finals record worse, and make all his many haters gleeful....just because less than halfway into the series, his best friend looked like he "might" win Finals MVP?

Like I said, that's some all-time stupid shyt right there.

Lebron haters are the worst. Literally no one else in history would be accused of such a stupid conspiracy. Did Kobe shoot 6-24 in Game 7 and only make 1 field goal in the 4th quarter because he was afraid that Pau was outplaying him for the Finals MVP and didn't realize there were enough Kobe Stans in the voting committee to gift him the MVP anyway?

 

[High quality poster]

Ray Allen was only playing for Miami because the Celtics demoted him to the bench for the great Avery Bradley.

Chris Bosh missed half the playoffs in the first title run and scored ZERO points in game 7 in the second title run.

And Wade missed 60 games from 2012-2014, including playoff games, and his broken-ass knees meant that he was a great second fiddle but clearly not an equal during those rings. This "3rd greatest SG of all time" hasn't been past the 1st round since 2006 without Lebron.


And your idea that Lebron purposely lost the 2011 Finals because Wade would win the FMVP is some all-time stupid shyt. You think Lebron would give up his first ring, hurt his chances of winning 5-6 rings total, make his own Finals record worse, and make all his many haters gleeful....just because less than halfway into the series, his best friend looked like he "might" win Finals MVP?

Like I said, that's some all-time stupid shyt right there.

Lebron haters are the worst. Literally no one else in history would be accused of such a stupid conspiracy. Did Kobe shoot 6-24 in Game 7 and only make 1 field goal in the 4th quarter because he was afraid that Pau was outplaying him for the Finals MVP and didn't realize there were enough Kobe Stans in the voting committee to gift him the MVP anyway?

Well there you have it.

And as broken as Wade was in 2012-2013 he was still better than 2011 Lebron, had Bron played his part right he coulda been sitting on 3 rangz, but he's gonna retire with 2.

 

[Biscayne]

You do realize that Lebron also went and won as the lead man, twice, back to back, right? And he didn't have Phil Jackson at the helm coaching the team or a competent center or point guard either.

Chalmers not that much worse than Fisher.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Chalmers not that much worse than Fisher.

I agree in part - skill-wise, Chalmers wasn't that much worse than Fisher. But Fisher was an experienced point guard who knew exactly what to do, exactly what the coach wanted, and provided veteran leadership for his team. You never knew what the hell you'd get with Chalmers, he often would make nothing but awful mistakes for long stretches, and the only leadership he provided was someone to yell at.

And Fisher was probably the 6th option on that team (behind Kobe, Pau, Bynum, Odom, and MWP), while Chalmers was the 4th option, and the 3rd option when Bosh or wade was hurt. (Chalmers was #3 on the Heat in points and assists in the 2012 playoffs.) So the Heat's 4th option was only "somewhat worse and far less mature" than the Lakers's 6th option.

 

[Biscayne]

Ray Allen was only playing for Miami because the Celtics demoted him to the bench for the great Avery Bradley.

Chris Bosh missed half the playoffs in the first title run and scored ZERO points in game 7 in the second title run.

Wade missed 60 games from 2012-2014, including playoff games, and his broken-ass knees meant that he was a great second fiddle but clearly not an equal during those rings. This "3rd greatest SG of all time" hasn't been past the 1st round since 2006 without Lebron.

And like I said, you still have to deal with the fact that they had a weak-ass coach and terrible centers and point guards for that entire run, not to mention Wade and Bosh's injuries.


Worst of all, your idea that Lebron purposely lost the 2011 Finals because Wade would win the FMVP is some all-time stupid shyt. You think Lebron would give up his first ring, hurt his chances of winning 5-6 rings total, make his own Finals record worse, and make all his many haters gleeful....just because less than halfway into the series, his best friend looked like he "might" win Finals MVP?

Like I said, that's some all-time stupid shyt right there.

Lebron haters are the worst. Literally no one else in history would be accused of such a stupid conspiracy. Did Kobe shoot 6-24 in Game 7 and only make 1 field goal in the 4th quarter because he was afraid that Pau was outplaying him for the Finals MVP and didn't realize there were enough Kobe Stans in the voting committee to gift him the MVP anyway?

Ray Allen wasn't even on the team in 2012, and was only playing for Miami in 2013 because the Celtics demoted him to the bench for the great Avery Bradley.

Chris Bosh missed half the playoffs in the first title run and scored ZERO points in game 7 in the second title run.

Wade missed 60 games from 2012-2014, including playoff games, and his broken-ass knees meant that he was a great second fiddle but clearly not an equal during those rings. This "3rd greatest SG of all time" hasn't been past the 1st round since 2006 without Lebron.

And like I said, you still have to deal with the fact that they had a weak-ass coach and terrible centers and point guards for that entire run, not to mention Wade and Bosh's injuries.


Worst of all, your idea that Lebron purposely lost the 2011 Finals because Wade would win the FMVP is some all-time stupid shyt. You think Lebron would give up his first ring, hurt his chances of winning 5-6 rings total, make his own Finals record worse, and make all his many haters gleeful....just because less than halfway into the series, his best friend looked like he "might" win Finals MVP?

Like I said, that's some all-time stupid shyt right there.

Lebron haters are the worst. Literally no one else in history would be accused of such a stupid conspiracy. Did Kobe shoot 6-24 in Game 7 and only make 1 field goal in the 4th quarter because he was afraid that Pau was outplaying him for the Finals MVP and didn't realize there were enough Kobe Stans in the voting committee to gift him the MVP anyway?

I think Wade could have won 2 rings without LBJ. If Wade doesn't get injured against Detroit in the ECF in 2004-2005, Dwade potentially has 2 rings and 2 FMVP's before he turns 25. Wades post season stats in his 1st 3yrs in NBA were through the roof. 28ppg/7Ast/6reb 50% from the field, 2stls, 1blck were his 2004-2005 post season numbers. That was only year 2 in the NBA. If you surrounded prime Wade with a solid veteran team, with Wade as the sole superstar, at worst he's getting you to the ECF, at best he's getting you a title.d

 

[Poitier]

Huh? It went up 3 of the years (you forgot 2010), including 3% in 2009 and 2% in 2014.

2 of the 3 full playoffs you mentioned, it only went down 2-3%.

So is your entire argument down to ONE year (2013) where his TS% dropped from an incredible 64% to a still fantastic 59%? And that was a year where he won TWO 7-game series and played fantastic in defeating the Spurs machine and winning a ring??? He put down 26-8-7-2-1 on 49/38/78 shooting splits that playoffs having to face the defenses of the Bucks (#12), Bulls (#6), Pacers (#1), and Spurs (#3), who combined had 5 of the top 10 DPOY candidates.

You have no argument. You move the goalposts over and over, and yet you're still wrong. Just give it up.

His ts% stayed the same in 2010

His ts% dropped in 3 years and went up in 2 and it went down 3-5 percent in multiple years

 

[Jplaya2023]

The best thing for lebron to do is lose in the conference finals so he can use excuses such as expectations and injuries with a 1st year team. He can comment on how proud he is of his guys and the grit and effort they exerted.

By going to the finals and facing the warriors, lebron will be 2-4 in the finals (really 2-3, i give him a pass for 07) and that's going to be seyton manningesque on his career.

Let the hawks be sacrificial lambs so lebron can be a Martyn and get a pass

 

[Jplaya2023]

Lebron definately "blew" that 2011 finals when wade was a shoein for MVP. no one can tell me differently i seen it with my own eyes.

Wade repayed the favor in last years finals.

If these nikkas weren't selfish they could've won 4 straight.

@the_dankster you think lebron could live down going to miami and winning but wade being finals mvp. It would be a hit on his resume. Lebron would rather "win" his way then being perceived a 2nd banana to wade

 

[DosCadenaz]

We'll just ignore for the fact that most of what you're thinking about was said before Lebron won back-to-back championships with a couple of the greatest seasons ever. Or that Kobe's legacy is already written, while Lebron's is still in progress.

WTF should we think that what these guys claim to believe is relevant? Every one of those guys is competative as hell and going to be thinking about themselves when they make that pick.

Jordan will never choose anyone other than Kobe, because Kobe is the perfect guy for Jordan to rep - he spent his whole career trying to mimic Jordan in every way, yet clearly failed to ever match Jordan in any way. There isn't a better possible guy to try to claim as the best of his era, because it just makes you look that much better.

And Magic is a hard-core Laker, so you know he's not picking anyone else. And no one is ever going to think that Kobe was a better Laker than Magic.

Bird is getting himself passed up as the greatest small forward ever, so you know he hot. You think he's going to say, "Lebron is a better small forward than I ever was"?

Magic and Jordan are two of the top-5 greatest players ever, and Bird is top-10. They'll keep repping their little brother who will never threaten their own legacy all the way to their graves. But when it comes to honest public legacy evaluation, why should I suddenly think that Jordan, Magic, and Bird are especially competent or believable?

No. U shut up n watch tv. Lol at trying to change the words from their mouths. U dumb ass.