Who Had The Bigger Impact? Cash Money Or No Limit [Update: Poll Added]

[JustCKing]

@ this thread still going on...and especially @ the bolded...the impact of No Limit business wise has always been overstated to a ridiculous extent considering the fact that ultimately we're talking about a company that went bankrupt and defunct as a result of their business model over 15 years ago...far as innovation goes, both No Limit and Cash Money are admitted followers and successors of the game plan put together by J Prince with Rap a Lot... A lot of the credit people are trying to give to NL really belongs to RAL...Attributing Cash Money's come up to a company that

1. They predate
2. They've outlasted
3. Was actively trying to blackball them from the industry

Is nonsensical

The Roc Nation part made chuckle cause that's as big of a reach as I've seen in a while... Roc Nation is all about corporate synergy, partnerships, and delagation and is damn near a polar opposite from the "everything under one roof DIY" approach P took with no limit

This is like asking who had the most impact in the NBA, the Larry Brown Pistons or the Popavich Spurs

CMR does not predate No Limit. No Limit started in 1990, CMR started a year later.

Nobody denies that CMR outlasted No Limit and much of that was due to the passing of the paton to Wayne. I already stated that No Limit did not set itself up for longevity.

And you don't even understand the No Limit/Roc Nation comparison. I can't recall a label that was managing athletes before No Limit. If I'm not mistaken, they managed Ricky Williams. Then you have the films, the clothes, etc. A lot of it was wack, but they were early pioneers of business ventures that artists who owned imprints weren't tapping into.

 

[JustCKing]

I mean can u say the label was out the boot when they had to move to Cali and rap like Cali artist to get on?

Cash money was on they steady rise at the time and they got juvi at the perfect time and he just destroyed everything

Master didn't get "on" until he went back to his N.O. roots. He learned the hustle from the Bay, but he wasn't really huge until his music became more Southern. This is why I don't agree that he blew the South up because he went back once Southern music was thriving and acts like Kast, Goodie, and Eightball & MJG were consistently going platinum and gold and The South actually was a viable market. There was also the Geto Boys and 2LiveCrew before them. Then Face as a solo artist. P came in and capitalized off the rise of The South.

 

[OHSNAP!]

No Limit albums were mostly filler. These albums had like 27 tracks every album.

Look at snoops stay with No Limit. Completely disappointing, but when he left his career blow again.

Once people got over the Label Branding, NL fell the fukk off.

No Limit Top Dogg and Last Meal are generally considered two of his best albums (for many 2nd/3rd best ones), wtf u on?

 

[ISO]

Wasn’t Master P hustling CD bar codes for fake sales

 

[Pit Bull]

Whenever somebody shyt on No Limit I know they some form of cac.

 

[Pit Bull]

Can the nikkas who claim No Limit put out a lot of wack rappers and albums post some examples, pre 99.

Imo they put out a whole lot of good gangsta rap, street shyt. Them nikkas wasn't no wacker than the average gangsta rapper from the west coast or some jibber jabber Dr Seuss east coast rapper from the early to mid 90s

 

[Marlo Barksdale]

No Limit only had a solid 3 year run.

Cash Money has a solid 20 year run as a major and still directly influencing culture.

Nobody has lasted as long as they did with as many variations as them. They studied Rap-A-Lot,Death Row, No Limit , Rocafella, Bad Boy, Def Jam and became a better version of them for all intents and purposes.

The mainstream run of a label is usually 3 or 4 years like No Limit, not 20+.

 

[Marlo Barksdale]

Can the nikkas who claim No Limit put out a lot of wack rappers and albums post some examples, pre 99.

Prime Suspects
Gambinio Family
Skull Duggery
Full Blooded

Some decent songs here and there but hardly memorable albums. They were products of the Tank more than their actual talent. They were finishing 20 track albums in less than a week so the quality was gonna suffer.

 

[JustCKing]

No Limit only had a solid 3 year run.

Cash Money has a solid 20 year run as a major and still directly influencing culture.

Nobody has lasted as long as they did with as many variations as them. They studied Rap-A-Lot,Death Row, No Limit , Rocafella, Bad Boy, Def Jam and became a better version of them for all intents and purposes.

The mainstream run of a label is usually 3 or 4 years like No Limit, not 20+.

CMR has not had a 20 year run. They had a strong '99, and showed signs of struggling with G Code. Momentum picked up with I Got That Work and Big Tymers was the only platinum CMR act up until Juvenile dropped Juve The Great in 2003. Then Wayne's run started with the first Carter and they still didn't get another platinum album until 2005 with C2. Then C3 pretty much started the YMCMB phase.

Aftermath has lasted longer than CMR. From struggling with the compilation an the Firm album to producing the biggest acts and albums for the past two decades.

And CMR in no way, shape, form, or fashion became a better version of Bad Boy, Death Row or Def Jam. That's straight up delusion. CMR never had a point where they putting up numbers like Bad Boy in 1997 or Def Jam in 1998 or 1999.

 

[GlitchieBeats]

What about 36 mafia?

 

[FeloniousMonk]

Cash Money's deal was done in spite against Master P and No Limit.

Cash Money would have not had the coffer to compete with No Limit if not for Wendy Day and Universal.

Therefore, No Limit.

 

[born of fire]

CMR has not had a 20 year run. They had a strong '99, and showed signs of struggling with G Code. Momentum picked up with I Got That Work and Big Tymers was the only platinum CMR act up until Juvenile dropped Juve The Great in 2003. Then Wayne's run started with the first Carter and they still didn't get another platinum album until 2005 with C2. Then C3 pretty much started the YMCMB phase.

Aftermath has lasted longer than CMR. From struggling with the compilation an the Firm album to producing the biggest acts and albums for the past two decades.

And CMR in no way, shape, form, or fashion became a better version of Bad Boy, Death Row or Def Jam. That's straight up delusion. CMR never had a point where they putting up numbers like Bad Boy in 1997 or Def Jam in 1998 or 1999.

didn't juve go 4x platinum w/ 400 degreez?
and just because they were struggling it doesn't mean they didn't have a run. its not like cmr ever shut down shop like no limit did... even while struggling they still held it down.

 

[Pimp]

No Limit had a bigger impact. Most people wouldn't be where they are now without No Limit.. They made better music too but the inside the label beef ruined it.. I can post song for song No Limit vs Cash Money and I'm guarantee most people would like the No Limit songs better..

They should have pushed Mac... nikka had a hit record

 

[JustCKing]

didn't juve go 4x platinum w/ 400 degreez?
and just because they were struggling it doesn't mean they didn't have a run. its not like cmr ever shut down shop like no limit did... even while struggling they still held it down.

Yes Juve went platinum with 400 Degreez, which is why I said they struggled with G Code because it did a fraction of that number (but still went platinum). All of the second wave albums after they blew sold like half in 2000 and CMR was looking like the '99 No Limit aside from the Big Tymers albums. So they didn't have a 20 year run where they were at or near the top for 20 consecutive years. They had a banner 1999 and wasn't consistently droppin' back to back successes again until Wayne's reign.

 

[JustCKing]

No Limit had a bigger impact. Most people wouldn't be where they are now without No Limit.. They made better music too but the inside the label beef ruined it.. I can post song for song No Limit vs Cash Money and I'm guarantee most people would like the No Limit songs better..

They should have pushed Mac... nikka had a hit record

And its records like those that separate No Limit from CMR. They had R&B bangers like those that the streets loved and that song wasn't even a single.