Who Had The Bigger Impact? Cash Money Or No Limit [Update: Poll Added]

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

no limit easily.

anyone who says cash money had more impact/influence, clearly wasn't around.

musically?? its a wash. boils down to preference.
EDIT: if we're counting the young money stuff, then I'm penalizing cash money, and my vote definitely would go to no limit for better music.

east never really fukked with no limit or master p like that but Cash Money got love up here
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revisionist history.

no limit is the reason why the east coast started rockin with the south in the first place.

I understand the confusion in your post. no limit caught more hate, because they were the ones on the frontline taking all the bullets. cash money came thru 2-3 years later, and piggy-backed off of no limit's sacrifices, so they didn't catch as much hate.....and now, the wackest rappers from the south can come out today and catch no hate AT ALL.

its called progression. every rapper post-luke, that came out the south without pandering to the east coast owes a debt of gratitude to master p.

Bad Boy ran rap overall then. No Limit never truly cracked New York. Juvenile & Cash Money did. You never saw any videos of No Limit in New York.

No Limit was up there but they were always sort of an underground down south phenomenon that was never fully accepted mainstream. Listen to this intro.

no disrespect but you've clearly never been to new York and youre just guessing.

you posted a video clip from '97 when P was just starting to breakthrough on the east. by the end of '97 via ghetto d & the bout it movie is when they broke thru. and then in '98 is when they blew up out the water on the east.

no limit toured major venues in new York. matter fact, they had to double back twice to new York on ONE tour. and they did this tour on their own, and with just a cheap commercial as promotion; unlike cash money, who had to team up with the ruff ryders with help from MTV & mass media.

and the east coast is greater than just new York, btw.

and yes, no limit was the #1 label of 1998.

Again, No Limit did numbers but they never could fully penetrate New York/MTV and you can make an arguement that Def Jam had them easily. No Limit was never a media darling and by 1998 there were actually showing signs of the eventual full falloff. Thats why Cash Money was able to come the end of 1998 and get them out the paint as the defacto Southern label.

'98 was no limit's biggest year by far.

of course no limit was never a media darling. they were black-owned. and even still, the media had no choice but to hop on their d*ck when they were in their prime.

and cash money didn't even blow on the east coast til '99. you cant argue about national impact when youre basing your arguments on regional standing.

cash Money. White tees and the word "bling" come from them, among other things.

cash money didn't start white tees.

they weren't the first to use the term bling either, but they popularized it, so I give you that one.

lol @ white-tees tho.​

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

No Limit had no impact outside of flooding the market with a bunch of mediocre rappers/albums and biting nikkas shyt like crazy

CMR had bigger impact. People need to stop trying to associate their success with No Limit. They were moving units in the South when P was still trying to be like Dru Down and the Luniz

horrible post

just say you don't like no limit.

No Limit ain't have no damn platinum or gold albums from 1993-1996

CMR was gonna blow without No Limit regardless. They didn't need them, especially seeing how they remained relevant and had hits into the 21st century, where as NL was done by 2000

ice cream man was platinum.

CMR doesn't blow nationally without no limit going first. and I say this as a hardcore fan of both labels. cash money may still get a major deal, but nowhere near the same type of deal or push. and nowhere near the same level of impact or acceptance.

they didn't have the breakthrough material that no limit had.

their ceiling would be luke records. juvenile & BG would be unheralded like jt money.

Off topic, but could nolimit have had a little longer run if they kept BBTP?

I went back to look at there discography and I have to say probably not. Those albums towards the end with BBTP just weren't the same quality, and understandably so. Those guys probably had nothing left creatively.

they really didn't need BBTP anymore. BBTP had gotten stale, and the new in-house producers were doing better beats than what BBTP ended up doing around that time & after.

as a couple people stated earlier, no limit's problem is that they lost most of their roster and never passed the torch.
some of the same problems that WCW had in the wrestling world, which I always found funny, because master p & no limit were in WCW, and they were both going down at the time due to similar circumstances.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Cash Money's deal was done in spite against Master P and No Limit.

Cash Money would have not had the coffer to compete with No Limit if not for Wendy Day and Universal.

Therefore, No Limit.

THIS

threads like these make people look funny in the light.

I luv cash money hot boys era, but deep down, I know they were pawns.
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What about 36 mafia?

3-6 mafia had a cult following and good success but overall, they were just a C-list act.

they benefit greatly from revisionist history, thanks to their influence on current producers.

and I say this as a fan of 3-6 mafia in real-time.


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Look at snoops stay with No Limit. Completely disappointing, but when he left his career blow again.

what do some of yall be doing?

top dogg & last meal were multi-platinum.
DGITBS was dope as well. snoop was just out of place on his own songs. should've been a compilation album instead.

You guys just proved my point below. Check the production credits on those albums. They weren't in-house albums and his CAREER got bigger when he moving away.

Why is that?

his career didn't get bigger when he left. just the same ole snoop.

of course he didn't use in-house on the 2nd & 3rd albums like that. they were southern. he was west coast.​

do the math.

Whenever somebody shyt on No Limit I know they some form of cac.

Can the nikkas who claim No Limit put out a lot of wack rappers and albums post some examples, pre 99.

Imo they put out a whole lot of good gangsta rap, street shyt. Them nikkas wasn't no wacker than the average gangsta rapper from the west coast or some jibber jabber Dr Seuss east coast rapper from the early to mid 90s

THIS
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[Tom Foolery]

what do some of yall be doing?

top dogg & last meal were multi-platinum.
DGITBS was dope as well. snoop was just out of place on his own songs. should've been a compilation album instead.

his career didn't get bigger when he left. just the same ole snoop.

of course he didn't use in-house on the 2nd & 3rd albums like that. they were southern. he was west coast.​

do the math.

What I'm saying is being lost in the snoop comment.

I'm saying the NL was all about Label Branding and when the Brand got weak, people realized that +80% of the albums were filler.

Snoop is just an example of an artist that moved away from that filler model while on the label. Now Snoop's Brand is bigger than the No Limit Brand. That's what I'm saying.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

What I'm saying is being lost in the snoop comment.

I'm saying the NL was all about Label Branding and when the Brand got weak, people realized that +80% of the albums were filler.

Snoop is just an example of an artist that moved away from that filler model while on the label. Now Snoop's Brand is bigger than the No Limit Brand. That's what I'm saying.

youre not saying anything but throwing chit at the wall to dress your opinions up as facts.

no limit fell off when most of their artists either left or got locked up. plain & simple.

snoop's rap career didnt get any bigger after he left no limit. as far as his brand goes, that has nothing to do with rap. snoop shucks-n-jives for the white folks and wears funny symbols on his clothing. theres too much talk about brands & mainstream darlings in here. way off track.

 

[Tom Foolery]

youre not saying anything but throwing chit at the wall to dress your opinions up as facts.

no limit fell off when most of their artists either left or got locked up. plain & simple.

snoop's rap career didnt get any bigger after he left no limit. as far as his brand goes, that has nothing to do with rap. snoop shucks-n-jives for the white folks and wears funny symbols on his clothing. theres too much talk about brands & mainstream darlings in here. way off track.

You're confused. Read the title of this thread.

Once you understand the thread title let me know.

 

[Pure Water]

I'm in the Benz with a bow-legged beaver.

 

[King Karim]

Cash money EASILY...... 65% of these new nikkaz are Wayne clones one way or the other....

 

[JustCKing]

What I'm saying is being lost in the snoop comment.

I'm saying the NL was all about Label Branding and when the Brand got weak, people realized that +80% of the albums were filler.

Snoop is just an example of an artist that moved away from that filler model while on the label. Now Snoop's Brand is bigger than the No Limit Brand. That's what I'm saying.

Snoop got away from BBTP and the flashy album covers to return to his roots. He'd already dropped two albums in a row that were received unfavorably despite moving a lot of units. It was imperative that he drop a fourth album that showed that he still had it. Top Dogg possibly saved Snoop and he didn't move away from the No Limit brand, he moved away from the sound. Snoop was a West Coast rapper on a roster full of New Orleans rappers with a predominantly Southern sound and style. This wasn't Bay area No Limit. So he dropped the Southern sound in favor of returning to his roots. To let people know he was still No Limit, he added the "No Limit" to the title of his album because it didn't sound or look like the typical No Limit album. So he kept the branding, but it's essentially a No Limit album in name only just like Last Meal.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

some of the chit in this thread is embarrassing mane.

ole bul sat up here and said master p was regional.

You're confused. Read the title of this thread.

Once you understand the thread title let me know.

I'm not confused about anything.

youre confusing snoop's rap career post-no limit with his Hollywood career.

 

[JustCKing]

I ain't want to up this thread, but since it was, I wanted to add this:



^^^ Before Young Money, this was possibly CMR's biggest song since Juve's "Back That Thang Up" and it features Soulja Slim. Basically, it could be argued it's more Soulja Slim featuring Juve than the other way around. Why does it matter? Slim was a No Limit Soldier even thought he'd parted ways with the Tank when it was recorded/released. Also, Danny Cartel, the song's producer, also had ties to No Limit.

 

[IVS]

Being from NJ, I'll say:

Cash Money actually made music I wanted to listen to. I thought No Limit was wack as hell for the most part and had terrible rappers besides Mystical. Silk and P were so terrible to me.

I say CM was more influential

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

musical influence?? again, no limit takes that too.

like somebody said earlier, theres way more no limit remakes than cash money remakes.
and the east coast changed its style up and got more bouncy after no limit popped.

I'll say this tho; low-key the most influential stylistically from both crews was young turk. the whole south ran with his style in the early '00s.

I guess this is the part where the young dudes chime in and talk about Wayne & young money.

 

[Tom Foolery]

I'm not confused about anything.

youre confusing snoop's rap career post-no limit with his Hollywood career.

No what I'm saying is if he stayed in-house with No Limit there would be no career period.

 

[Tom Foolery]

This really wasn't them doing a CMR impression. "Wobble, Wobble" and "Ice On My Wrist" are better examples of that. They always rapped about ice and did those types of videos. They just started going overboard with it after CMR took off, much like how CMR did with the whole soldier thing when they were on the come up.

Yes it was it was trying to stunt like Birdman. But as you point out P has many instances of just being a knock off artist.

If we are talking impact, how could the person you are copying not be the bigger impact?

You're saying they copied the idea of being a solider, well who copied the idea of being a HotBoy? come on now.