Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[Don Homer]

2001 Spurs won 58 games and were the #1 seed and 2002 they won 58 games and were the #2 seed.....but hey giving them injury and "trash" excuses is a fair narrative 2001 squad was 6th in Off rating and 1st is Def rating, 2002 squad was 9th in Off rating/2nd in def rating

excuse after excuse after excuse for this guy



Im pretty sure the Spurs were heavy favorites after winning 60 games and playing the #8 seed grizzles excuse after excuse

I imagine the lakers were the heavy favorites being up 3-1 in the first round Vs the suns. Coached by the GOAT coach, too? Easy win I imagine…

Also didn’t the spurs beat the #2 seed as a 7 seed in 2010?

 

[smitty22]

You stay keeping your foot on that fakkit @Regular_P neck.

Indeed

 

[KING WILL]

Maybe Tim on paper.

But style points has that name for a reason.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

We saw them on the same court plenty of times...the consensus was never that Timmy was better than Kobe in real time

The consensus was that Duncan was better than Kobe from 1997-2003 and it was debateable 2004-2005. That's nearly all of Duncan's prime.

From 1997 to 2005, Duncan got 165 1st-place votes for MVP (while being up against prime Shaq, prime Iverson, and prime KG). Over that same period Kobe got.....9 votes.

Kobe was the best player on the court more times than Tim was when they played each other

Why do people keep repeating this lie over and over?

Duncan was the best player on the court in 1999, 2002, and 2003. Kobe was best in 2001 and 2008. It was a wash in 2004 (despite Duncan playing injured). And the first time Kobe outplayed Duncan it was only because Pop purposely focused all the defense on Shaq and let Kobe go wild hoping he'd shoot the Lakers out of the game (like he did other years) while Duncan was getting 100% of the Laker defense cause their squad was trash that year and his #2 option averaged just 12ppg that season.

So the only two years that Kobe was better was when he was clearly the #3 focus on the court (behind TD and Shaq) and then after Duncan turned 32 and was clearly on the career decline in terms of health and mobility.

How many times are y'all gonna keep claiming that Kobe was the best player on the court most times while ignoring 1999, 2002, and 2003?

 

[10bandz]

The consensus was that Duncan was better than Kobe from 1997-2003 and it was debateable 2004-2005. That's nearly all of Duncan's prime.

From 1997 to 2005, Duncan got 165 1st-place votes for MVP (while being up against prime Shaq, prime Iverson, and prime KG). Over that same period Kobe got.....9 votes.





Why do people keep repeating this lie over and over?

Duncan was the best player on the court in 1999, 2002, and 2003. Kobe was best in 2001 and 2008. It was a wash in 2004 (despite Duncan playing injured). And the first time Kobe outplayed Duncan it was only because Pop purposely focused all the defense on Shaq and let Kobe go wild hoping he'd shoot the Lakers out of the game (like he did other years).

How many times are y'all gonna keep claiming that Kobe was the best player on the court most times while ignoring 1999, 2002, and 2003?

So this nikka is just gonna KEEP LYING?????


In 2002 Lakers - Spurs series Kobe averaged 26ppg on 45% shooting. TD averaged 29 on 42% shooting. For as many times as Kobe gets criticized for low shooting percentages this fakkit Rhakim has bigged up TD for several series where he shot poorly as a big man close to the basket. Literally giving him pass after pass for shyt Kobe gets discredited for

2003 is closer, TD with 28ppg on 51% shooting and Kobe on 32ppg on 43% shooting but 44% from 3 point land on 34 attempts. Pretty much even.


2004 Kobe had 26ppg on 46% shooting while TD had 20ppg on 47% shooting, shot under 40% 3 times in 4 straight losses and lost a 2-0 lead. So how is that a wash???

Yall really let this fakkit Rhakim ran rampant with the misleading, disingenuous bullshyt

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Both 6x all stars...both 4x all nba

Interestingly enough, I doubt Gasol is a 6x all star if he doesn't play in LA

Total nonsense. Pau made all-star at 25yo before he ever joined the Lakers and then again at 34yo and 35yo after he left them. Only reason he didn't make more before he joined the Lakers was cause West was deep as fukk at forward '02-'07 (Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, McGrady, Amare, Webber at top with Brand, Boozer, Peja, Marion lurking) and he got hurt at the wrong time in '07.

Parker had the better career, was better in the postseason, went toe to toe with all time greats at PG, and was the sole reason SA was able to compete with LA after the 3peat

Prime Gasol was better than prime Parker - in both the Lakers' titles Pau outplayed the other team's best player (Howard and Garnett) straight up on both sides. Parker was never any good defensively where he could neutralize the other team's best player on top of outscoring them on the other end.

And most of Parker's prime was wasted after Duncan had declined and injuries hurt the Spurs, while Kobe got to peak at the same time as Pau.



But this is amusing that we're comparing Kobe's 2nd-best teammate to Duncan's best teammate. Even if Pau and Parker were on the same level, that would still have Duncan ahead 5 to 2 on titles without Shaq's coattails for Kobe to ride on.

 

[10bandz]

The consensus was that Duncan was better than Kobe from 1997-2003

Consensus from who? Shaq called Kobe the best in the world in 2001

This nikka talking about MVP votes as if Shaq and Kobe weren't splitting MVP votes back then.....Shaq/Kobe being teammates hurt their MVP chances because the votes would be split between the two. And this fakkit goes back all the way to 1997 when Kobe was fukking 18 Misleasding an disingenuous as hell

The fans and ballers were siding with Kobe at the time

ESPN.com: NBA - Users on the best NBA player

Just like now

 

[Brandsdale]

Switch teams, and Kobe wins more rings with the spurs than Duncan did. Plus Duncan win's less rings with Lakers than Kobe

Kobe wanted to switch teams for things HE asked for

San Antonio is a system that doesnt necessarily pander too much to superstar talent.


Those two things historically cause fallouts and players leaving to another bigger market so that can easily hinder the SPurs from winning

 

[10bandz]

Total nonsense. Pau made all-star at 25yo before he ever joined the Lakers and then again at 34yo and 35yo after he left them. Only reason he didn't make more before he joined the Lakers was cause West was deep as fukk at forward '02-'07 (Dirk, Duncan, Garnett, McGrady, Amare, Webber at top with Brand, Boozer, Peja, Marion lurking) and he got hurt at the wrong time in '07.





Prime Gasol was better than prime Parker - in both the Lakers' titles Pau outplayed the other team's best player (Howard and Garnett) straight up on both sides. Parker was never any good defensively where he could neutralize the other team's best player on top of outscoring them on the other end.

And most of Parker's prime was wasted after Duncan had declined and injuries hurt the Spurs, while Kobe got to peak at the same time as Pau.

PAu had 1 all star berth in 6 seasons before the Lakers TP was an all star at 23 years old

So now Pau wasnt an all star more because the west was deep as fukk at forward

This nikka brings up McGrady who was in the East for most of Pau's Memphis years, and was BARELY voted into the AS game as a Forward, he was always at guard. The only time TMAC was voted in as a Forward was the year pau actually made it (2006)

y'all really let this fukking fakkit run rampant

 

[Brandsdale]

Wrong RIP Kobe but if I had to start a franchise gimme Timmy everyday of the week

it all comes down to attitude and mental. Tim is a team player, plain and simple

 

[10bandz]

this fakkit @Rhakim being lying and saying misleadsing shyt this whole fukking thread

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The fact that Duncan clearly outplayed Kobe head-to-head in 1999, 2002, and 2003 is like some inconvinient truth that 90% of the Kobestans in the thread don't want to acknowledge. From 1999 to 2004 the Lakers threw EVERYTHING at Duncan cause he was the Spurs' only serious offensive threat, and he still outplayed Kobe the majority of the time.

They know Kobe has fewer MVPs, fewer Finals MVPs, fewer titles as the leader or #1, and less impressive title runs. So they're stuck to claiming head-to-head performance over and over, even though they don't play the same position or guard each other.

Yet the "head-to-head" argument only works if 2001 and 2008 are the only two years they look at and 1999, 2002, and 2003 never existed.

 

[10bandz]

The fact that Duncan clearly outplayed Kobe head-to-head in 1999, 2002, and 2003 is like some inconvinient truth that 90% of the Kobestans in the thread don't want to acknowledge.

They know Kobe has fewer MVPs, fewer Finals MVPs, fewer titles as the leader or #1, and less impressive title runs. So they're stuck to claiming head-to-head performance over and over, even though they don't play the same position or guard each other.

Yet the "head-to-head" argument only works if 2001 and 2008 are the only two years they look at and 1999, 2002, and 2003 never existed.

Already disproved you disingenuous fukking fakkit

So this nikka is just gonna KEEP LYING?????


In 2002 Lakers - Spurs series Kobe averaged 26ppg on 45% shooting. TD averaged 29 on 42% shooting. For as many times as Kobe gets criticized for low shooting percentages this fakkit Rhakim has bigged up TD for several series where he shot poorly as a big man close to the basket. Literally giving him pass after pass for shyt Kobe gets discredited for

2003 is closer, TD with 28ppg on 51% shooting and Kobe on 32ppg on 43% shooting but 44% from 3 point land on 34 attempts. Pretty much even.


2004 Kobe had 26ppg on 46% shooting while TD had 20ppg on 47% shooting, shot under 40% 3 times in 4 straight losses and lost a 2-0 lead. So how is that a wash???

Yall really let this fakkit Rhakim ran rampant with the misleading, disingenuous bullshyt

And Kobe was the #1 option for every single 4th qtr of the 3 peat era Even overall Kobe had more shot attempts more years AND ran the offense

 

[ECA]

Already disproved you disingenuous fukking fakkit




And Kobe was the #1 option for every single 4th qtr of the 3 peat era Even overall Kobe had more shot attempts more years AND ran the offense

We bringing up 4th quarter number one options now? So Middleton is THE GUY in Milwaukee

 

[DrexlersFade]

Why is this poll still open?