Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[O.T.I.S.]

It’s more people hate Kobe

Not in the league though

 

[O.T.I.S.]

The rulebook and officiating were deliberately altered to favor perimeter play, and discourage post play. Happened during the tail end of his career, and he has spoken about it.

NBA big men would only be able to pattern certain parts of Tommy's fame into their repetroire, not his bread and butter moves.

 

[SmoothOperator88]

My favorite Duncan stat.

Tim Duncan won 4 titles as the only All-NBA guy on his team. Magic and Bird are the only other players to have even done that more than once.

 

[Jalether]

This is a settled debate the same way MJ being the GOAT is. Duncan is ahead of kobe on the all time list and only hard-core kobe stans disagree

Timmy is widely regarded as a top 5 player all time, only mj,kareem,LeBron and magic rank higher than him

 

[Professor Emeritus]

My favorite Duncan stat.

Tim Duncan won 4 titles as the only All-NBA guy on his team. Magic and Bird are the only other players to have even done that more than once.

I never heard that one, that's a fantastic stat.

And Magic/Bird did theirs before All-NBA moved to 3 teams in 1989. Otherwise Worthy might have made 3rd-team All-NBA in 87 and 88 just like he did in 90 and 91 (I think it would have been between him and English for the last slot) and then Magic wouldn't have any titles without an All-NBA player cause Kareem was always All-NBA until '86. Parish probably makes 3rd-team All-NBA in '81 and might have made 3rd-team All-NBA in '84, McHale definitely would have been 3rd-team All-NBA in '86, so Bird would just have 1 at most.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Internet debate. Nobody argued this back in the day.

Its purely driven by people's hatred towards Kobe.

You can deduce this by asking why Duncan is never compared to other top 10 players like Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bron.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Anybody who says Tim is a hater. Whats Tims Record against Kobe in the playoffs??

Nothing. He also had three of the lowest watched Finals in NBA records.

Its purely an internet debate with nikkas tryna to revise history.

 

[Ozymandeas]

I’m not reading these paragraphs. It’s Kobe. And I don’t know who it was but trying to downplay Kobe sending Tim home in 5 and being regarded as the better player when they were both in their primes is pretty funny. The Spurs were leading basically every game by double digits and Tim couldn’t close while Kobe basically beat the Spurs on mid range jumpers. No else on the Lakers did shyt that series. I have no idea what son is talking about saying the Spurs were thin. The Lakers were young, inexperienced and giving up big leads. Bean was simply the best in the world. There was legitimately a span from 2005 to 2013 when Kobe went down that no one considered Tim better but Spurs stans and Kobr haters. Like that is literally half their careers and an entire period with no Shaq. They’re close but Bean edges. It’s probably easier to build around Tim though but he’s not doing shyt with the 05 yo 07 Lakers either. Tim Smush Walton Odom Kwame aren’t winning shyt.

Exactly. I wish we could go back in time for whenever people flat out lie. Wasn't no one thinking about Duncan them years. He was irrelevant.

I will say though, he had a nice little resurgence in 2013 and 2014. Those Finals were entertaining

 

[murksiderock]

Internet debate. Nobody argued this back in the day.

Its purely driven by people's hatred towards Kobe.

You can deduce this by asking why Duncan is never compared to other top 10 players like Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bron.

Because Kobe is popular and was Jordan-lite in how he played the game. His actual game and the results on the floor weren't Jordan-like though, so he shouldn't be compared to Top 5 guys. He's always been more popular than Duncan and most of yall can't separate popularity from actual basketball...

Duncan and Kobe are close enough as players but wasn't nobody putting Kobe in any All-Time conversation before the resurgence in the second half of his career. We were watching, we remember. People were talking about Duncan in historic terms almost immediately, but he didn't go on a prop date with a pop star, he didn't try appealing to hip hop heads, he didn't try to mimic Hakeem, he didn't have a flashy game or wear earrings or get visible tattoos or play for America's Team or have a signature sneaker or play on the wings...

You dudes can't separate what made Kobe popular...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Internet debate. Nobody argued this back in the day.

You're right, they weren't. That's why Duncan was in the MVP conversation every year while Kobe finally had to be given a pity-MVP in his 12th season.

At that point, in Kobe's 12th season and Duncan's 11th, Duncan already had 2 MVPs, 2 MVP runner-ups, and 3 Finals MVPs......and Kobe was getting his very first of any of those.

All of us who were actually there remembered how desperate Kobe was to finally win a title in 2009 (his 13th season in the NBA) and prove he could win without Shaq carrying him.

Its purely driven by people's hatred towards Kobe.

It's either that or objective reality. One of those two.


I'm still blown away that no one is mentioning Kobe's Finals record, because with Bron we're told OVER and OVER again that losing in the Finals is the worst thing you can do and determines your legacy, and Kobe not only has more Finals losses than Duncan but a far more embarassing '04 performance worse than anything Duncan ever put up so.....?

Nothing. He also had three of the lowest watched Finals in NBA records.

Its purely an internet debate with nikkas tryna to revise history.

This is literally what y'all are reduced to. You think it's a popularity contest. Spurs have a smaller market and less asthetic appeal than the Lakers, Duncan is quiet and never tries to draw attention to himself, therefore Kobe is obviously better than Duncan.

There, it's settled!


[aw, fukk, if this is a popularity contest then why is Kobe still losing 82 to 57?]

 

[SadimirPutin]

Interesting. So from the time Duncan entered The League in 1997, until 2005, what was the comparison then? That's an 8-year window, about 45% of their careers...



See I think Duncan's 2000-2005 peak was higher than Kobe's 2005-2010 peak. Peak Duncan was the most dominant center besides Shaq since Hakeem, he was outstanding. I think Duncan suffers from the fact most heads were bored by his playstyle and his team's playstyle, so they missed on alot of his greatest hits...

To be honest if someone chose one or the other I wouldn't get too beat up about it either way...

Duncan's play style definitely plays a part in how his career is viewed(which seems a silly thing to say because for many he is a Mt Rushmore player)

 

[Remote]

To be honest if someone chose one or the other I wouldn't get too beat up about it either way...

Duncan's play style definitely plays a part in how his career is viewed(which seems a silly thing to say because for many he is a Mt Rushmore player)

That's like 90% of it breh.

Kobe stans like him because of how his game looks, because of his athleticism.
And that's perfectly fine, so long as it doesn't cloud their judgment around effectiveness, efficiency, and things that actually correlate to winning.

But we all know Kobe stans are incapable of logic.



Can you imagine if Kobe had 2 season MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs? They'd run that argument on a fukkin loop for 30 years.

They can stay mad tho

 

[get these nets]

Oh my bad, thought you were serious when you asked that question.

Ask where the Duncan disciples are,
gets answer,
posts smilie.

Well, there is Duncan saying it himself

Cued to Tim Duncan talking about the evolution of the game from his era to now

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[O.T.I.S.]

Oh my bad, thought you were serious when you asked that question.

Ask where the Duncan disciples are,
gets answer,
posts smilie.

Well, there is Duncan saying it himself




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[Reggie]

Tim should be held in the same regards as a Bill Russell as far as being a dominant defensive player that led a dynasty. Difference was Tim was dropping 25 a night in his prime and capable of going off for 40 anytime it was needed. He wins that ring against Bron in 2013 and he's up to number 3 on MY all time list ahead of Magic and Bron. But he's still number 5 on my list and I don't think a lot of people rate him that high even though most if not all have him in the top 10. But for the career and longevity he had he doesn't get the respect he truly deserves. Still talking about a system when from day 1 the Spurs went from playoff contenders to in the Finals by his 2nd year. He always was THE system and other than hearing about the Ewing shyt back in the day was the first time I remember hearing about tanking. Still the best big man prospect to come along since Shaq and fulfilled surpassed every expectation of him.