Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[FAH1223]

Yo wtf

 

[King Harlem]

Both teams would’ve drafted differently if they had the other player. Idk how Shaq or pau would’ve operated with TD and no serviceable wing player and idk how Kobe would do with TP and Manu with no big

Nah. Tim is easily more successful with him, Shaq, Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel on the same team.
I still would give Kobe the slight edge over Tim.

 

[murksiderock]

i can’t imagine the criticism of Kobe if Fish won a FMVP like Parker or Trevor Ariza won FMVP like Kawhi

Kobe catch hate for Shaq winning FMVP lol

We talking Shaq

Kobe doesn't catch hate for Shaq winning FMVPs ...that's a Kobe Stan construct...

Kobe Stans catch heat for revionist history, re-imagining the 3peat Lakers as if there was some question of who the best player on those teams was. Kobe Stans come up with all kinds of loopholes as to why the 3peat Lakers were "really" something other than what they were...

I've never used the FMVP in any argument and I dislike how it's such a large part of ball today. It only matters a slight degree, which is that it's part of a larger list of evidence that Kobe, an unquestioned All-Timer, is at a lower tier of greatness than guys who imposed their will on the sport more profoundly...

If someone else won FMVP cats would just talked about Kobe like Steph, but we all would have understood Kobe still drove those busses...

This is no minor degree tho.

He's the head guy on the spurs.

The team wasn't destroyed by injuries.

And they were the 1 seed which meant there 1st round opponent should not have been a factor, as history has suggested. AND they were good enough to be considered a favorite to win the CHIP.

If you couple this with the fact that the Spurs had a finals MVP playing in the series, there was no reason for them to lose IN SIX!!!.

Only 2 other teams lost in the 1st round as a 1 seed, and none of those teams had a top 20 player all time, let alone a top 7 guy.

Kobe would never lose in the 1st round as a 1 seed. And that says a lot.

Kobe never lost as a 1-seed, but how significant is this piece of information, really?

Duncan is cleaning him up in most areas of importance on the basketball court. This fact isn't changed despite Duncan losing to an 8 seed in Y14 at the very last stretch of his prime...

 

[malbaker86]

The one with more MVPs and more finals MVPs

 

[areohbee824]

Kobe

 

[Shadow King]

YOU CANNOT COMPARE WINGS AND BIG MEN

Yes you can

 

[Mandizi]

Eh idk about that
I think Timmy and Shaq would be an all time dominant force
Tim gave absolutely no fukks about deferring offensively and was excellent defensively
He was also one of the best players in the league from minute 1 cause he was a finished product coming out of college. He was right in the MVP race his second season honestly I remember he was pretty much the best player in the league that year and they won their first title

He should've won MVP his second season.

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Or you bragging to TA Travel Center truckers your urinals at the Kum & Go are cleaner than TA's.

Those trucking gas stations got the best snacks

And don't let them have a fast food restaurant attached to it. Our Pilot station has a McDonald's attached to it and I never had an order that wasn't fresh

 

[FS4LFE]

Duncan. Kobe was flashier and more polarizing but I think he had a better overall game and career than Kobe.

 

[get these nets]

From the year Duncan was drafted, Spurs won 50 games how many times consecutively?

*And the one time they didn't was the lockout year/shortened season.

That's due to who?

TD was just a consistently great player.

 

[Chris Cool]

From the year Duncan was drafted, Spurs won 50 games how many times consecutively?

*And the one time they didn't was the lockout year/shortened season.

That's due to who?

TD was just a consistently great player.

That stat is so overstated. Tim got 50+ win seasons as the first seed getting knocked by the 8th seed. He never had to deal with the dysfunction that the Lakers dealt with, yet Kobe still got 5 rings first. You can even argue Tim won a few of his rings on Lakers off years.

 

[get these nets]

That stat is so overstated. Tim got 50+ win seasons as the first seed getting knocked by the 8th seed. He never had to deal with the dysfunction that the Lakers dealt with, yet Kobe still got 5 rings first. You can even argue Tim won a few of his rings on Lakers off years.

Oh, my bad. I thought this was a serious sports debate.

 

[Chris Cool]

Oh, my bad. I thought this was a serious sports debate.

Winning 50 games every year and 5 rings is more impressive than winning 5 rings with multiple down years?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

The one that kept sending the other one home in the playoffs

Duncan still looked like the better player more often than not. Duncan sent the Kobe-Shaq combo home twice. A sweep in 1999 and a 4-2 in 2003 when Kobe/Shaq were both in their prime and Duncan had a teenage Tony Parker as his #2. Kobe only sent Duncan home once without Shaq and that was 2008 when the Spurs were only about 3 deep and Manu got hurt.

Kobe-Shaq had 3 wins against weak-ass Duncan teams with almost no help and injuries.

Switch teams, and Kobe wins more rings with the spurs than Duncan did. Plus Duncan win's less rings with Lakers than Kobe

actually i take that back, Duncan and Shaq or Duncan and Pau >>>>>>> Duncan and old Drob.

but Kobe and Tony Parker with Manu coming off the bench as Kobe's backup? would be tough

Kobe wasn't doing jack shyt with those early Spurs teams. You need to look at how thin those lineups actually were, without Duncan holding shyt down in the middle on both ends they wouldn't have had a chance.

Tony Parker wasn't even on the team until he came as a teenager in '02 and wasn't at an all-star level until '06. Before then he was just an average point guard especially considering his defensive limitations. Manu came as a rookie in '03 and wasn't an all-star until '05.

A Parker-Kobe-Manu lineup would struggle because none of them is scoring that efficiently in the 2000s and Kobe would have to carry all the weight on defense which he stopped doing around '01.

 

[Legend27]

My guy Timmy!