Who ranks higher , Timmy or Kobe ?

[No1]

How come Duncan was never lead his team to back to back titles despite having a HOF backcourt for a decade plus and a GOAT level coach?

He didn’t even play on a team that went to 2 straight finals until he was a role player in 2014

Let’s also not ignore that once Kobe had a championship core again, Duncan never sniffed the finals until all the other teams got old or were disassembled. Duncan wasn’t even a top 5 player in the WEST for his last ring. Like OKC let Harden go - who has just killed the Spurs in the previous WCF, the Clippers were always hurt, the Blazers were always hurt and the Lakers and Mavs were old and injured. Son was irrelevant as a true contender for like 5 years and then everyone else falls off and he’s there with his core and Kawhi Leonard and we’re somehow acting as if those last two finals appearances carried the same weight as Kobe averaging 30 in three straight runs to the finals from 08 without o 2010. Duncan has more individual success earlier because Kobe played with Shaq but that’s really it. But apparently Tim Duncan retired in 2007.

Kobe stans are pathetic

Yall stay trying to rewrite history when it comes to this nikka

What is being rewritten? At what point from 2005 to 2013 was Tim Duncan considered better than Kobe?

 

[Sccit]

Wow. Kobe had no weaknesses...

Just wow...

WHAT WAS HIS WEAKNESS WEIRDO?

HE LITERALLY COULD DO EVERYTHING ON THE COURT

 

[jaydawg08]

DO YOU HAVE DUNCAN OVER SHAQ? WILT? HAKEEM? RUSSELL?

None of those people are PF's.... And if you went by that logic of guards/wings then Kobe is also behind 3-4 players as well

 

[jaydawg08]

WHAT WAS HIS WEAKNESS WEIRDO?

HE LITERALLY COULD DO EVERYTHING ON THE COURT

Wasn't an elite playmaker, team defense was lacking although his on ball defense was elite at his peak it fell off alot faster than people admit. His efficiency from 3 was lacking.

If we're gonna nitpick, he struggled handful of times in adverse situations when we hold other ATG to another standard.. ala PHX series, Detroit series, issues with teammates, off court issues, etc.

 

[SymbolicOne09]

That doesn't negate whether his %'s are all-time or not.

It doesnt... but are his % really that relevant? What does the eye test tell you about kobe in the play offs?

 

[MyApps]

Internet debate. Nobody argued this back in the day.

Its purely driven by people's hatred towards Kobe.

You can deduce this by asking why Duncan is never compared to other top 10 players like Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bron.

Exactly.

If it doesn't matter that Kobe has the better record against Duncan, is more widely feared than Duncan and has accolades that matches or surpasses Duncan

Then Why is Bron considered a greater player than Duncan?

Everyone glosses over this question.

 

[GreatestLaker]

Wasn't an elite playmaker, team defense was lacking although his on ball defense was elite at his peak it fell off alot faster than people admit. His efficiency from 3 was lacking.

If we're gonna nitpick, he struggled handful of times in adverse situations when we hold other ATG to another standard.. ala PHX series, Detroit series, issues with teammates, off court issues, etc.

Kobe was an elite playmaker when he wanted to be. As far as 2 guards go he was as good as they get. Kobe's weakness was his decision making. He would sometimes go through stretches were he would over shoot the ball. That's one of the major differences between Jordan and Kobe. MJ would try to get the best shot available, Kobe sometimes settled for long jumpers.

 

[jaydawg08]

Kobe was an elite playmaker when he wanted to be. As far as 2 guards go he was as good as they get. Kobe's weakness was his decision making. He would sometimes go through stretches were he would over shoot the ball. That's one of the major differences between Jordan and Kobe. MJ would try to get the best shot available, Kobe sometimes settled for long jumpers

Part of being an elite playmaker is decision making.. so you're backing up my point.

Kobe was the best difficult shot maker probably ever. But that also means he took alot of chitty I'll advised shots

 

[GreatestLaker]

Part of being an elite playmaker is decision making.. so you're backing up my point.

I was referring to his shot selection.

 

[MurderToCassette]

Kobe was the best difficult shot maker probably ever. But that also means he took alot of chitty I'll advised shots

That's bound to happen when your organization surrounds with with shytty talent for a bunch of years in your career

 

[jaydawg08]

That's bound to happen when your organization surrounds with with shytty talent for a bunch of years in your career

Which goes into the whole "not an elite playmaker". He thought he could make every shyt sometimes to the detriment of his team.

Conversely LeBron was able to take clutch shots while also making others around him better, taking worse teams than Kobe's to deep playoff runs and Finals appearances

 

[murksiderock]

WHAT WAS HIS WEAKNESS WEIRDO?

HE LITERALLY COULD DO EVERYTHING ON THE COURT

OFFENSIVELY
•he didn't have elite burst once he left his athletic peak in the early 00s. He could struggle to get around faster defenders;

•he didn't have elite vision and could fall into tunnel vision that missed open teammates who had better shot attempts;

•his shot selection could be detrimental to the offense which correlates with his vision. There are a million examples of Kobe taking on the double (or triple) team when he didn't HAVE to, and sure, he made alot of these shots, bit he missed a lot as well

•his passing delivery wasn't elite. He could be an above average passer at best, which is really good, but his passing trails many All-Timers;

•traps could bother him and inhibit his decision making. Part of this is because he was really only 6'4 by his own admission, he didn't have the size to deftly navigate traps, but the other part is his decision making while being trapped, he'd force shots or these traps baited him into turnovers;

•once he left his athletic peak of the early 00s he wasn't a threat at the rim anywhere near some of the All-Timers he gets compared to...

DEFENSIVELY

•he wasn't a real threat to contest at the rim, especially when his athletic waned;

•his defensive engagement certainly was an issue. Kobe left full-time effort on that end once Shaq left, which is somewhat understandable because of the offensive burden he carried, no one is 100% on both sides but he could be lackadaisical;

•he was a swiper and would eschew technique for swiping at the ball at times that would result in advantage for the opponent;

•he could not be relied upon to defend the other team's best player because he had a choosy motor

•poor weak side defender...

All players have weaknesses. To suggest they don't is ridiculous and to suggest Kobe Bryant of all people, who had some pretty noticeable holes, is just your Standom at play...

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Duncan never faced adversity in his career.

Great Coach, Great surrounding cast, hall of famers, great ownership.

Hell, i'd take KG > Duncan.

 

[murksiderock]

That's bound to happen when your organization surrounds with with shytty talent for a bunch of years in your career

"A bunch of years"?

 

[Sccit]

OFFENSIVELY
•he didn't have elite burst once he left his athletic peak in the early 00s. He could struggle to get around faster defenders;

•he didn't have elite vision and could fall into tunnel vision that missed open teammates who had better shot attempts;

•his shot selection could be detrimental to the offense which correlates with his vision. There are a million examples of Kobe taking on the double (or triple) team when he didn't HAVE to, and sure, he made alot of these shots, bit he missed a lot as well

•his passing delivery wasn't elite. He could be an above average passer at best, which is really good, but his passing trails many All-Timers;

•traps could bother him and inhibit his decision making. Part of this is because he was really only 6'4 by his own admission, he didn't have the size to deftly navigate traps, but the other part is his decision making while being trapped, he'd force shots or these traps baited him into turnovers;

•once he left his athletic peak of the early 00s he wasn't a threat at the rim anywhere near some of the All-Timers he gets compared to...

DEFENSIVELY

•he wasn't a real threat to contest at the rim, especially when his athletic waned;

•his defensive engagement certainly was an issue. Kobe left full-time effort on that end once Shaq left, which is somewhat understandable because of the offensive burden he carried, no one is 100% on both sides but he could be lackadaisical;

•he was a swiper and would eschew technique for swiping at the ball at times that would result in advantage for the opponent;

•he could not be relied upon to defend the other team's best player because he had a choosy motor

•poor weak side defender...

All players have weaknesses. To suggest they don't is ridiculous and to suggest Kobe Bryant of all people, who had some pretty noticeable holes, is just your Standom at play...

YO YOU REALLY MUST BE THRILLED THAT HE’S GONE, HUH?… THIS IS BEYOND SICK FAM


U JUELZING TALKIN BOUT SHOT SELECTION AND PASSING.. TRYIN WAY TOO HARD.


KOBE HAD ZERO WEAKNESSES.. HE COULD SCORE FROM ANYWHERE ON THE COURT - SHORTRANGE, MIDRANGE, LONGRANGE - EITHER HAND - COULD TURN EITHER WAY - AN ARRAY OF COUNTERS - POST GAME, FOOTWORK, HANDLES - PASSING - OFF BALL.. U NAME IT

HE COULD LITERALLY DO EVERYTHING .. NOTHING IN HIS ACTUAL GAME WAS A WEAKNESS - HE IS THE MOST COMPLETE BASKETBALL PLAYER TO EVER PLAY

AND THE FACT THAT U TYPE UP PARAGRAPHS TRYNA DISPUTE THAT ONLY SHOWS HOW MUCH U TRULY DESPISE HIM.