Who started the narrative that Lebron isn't clutch?

[Fortunate Lee]

Around 06 against the pistons when he passed to donyell, then he kept losing in the playoffs, and of course cac skip took it to an entire different level around 09 and 10/11.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Kobe was playing with Shaq at 22. LeBron in the Finals was stranded, Larry Hughes had a torn plantar fascia and was replaced by rookie Boobie Gibson. The Spurs were the top ranked defense in the league and zoned him heavily. Kobe would have also been swept and shot terrible percentages on that team at 22.

And?according to thecoli, Kobe contributed nothing to those series and was just a minor sidekick like Kenny the jet. Bottom line, Kobe put up 28,29 and 25 throughout 2000-2001. Those are superstar numbers. Lebron played with Wade And bosh in 2011 and was scared to shoot. Kobe was a sidekick and took over at times when Shaq went down


Kobe, bad foot, Shaq not in the game towards the end, having a bad series. 21-22 years old


Shaq fouls out again, Kobe had missed games. Scored his career playoff high at the time


Shaq in those games, Kobe 9 40 point game streak.


Shaq fouls out, Kobe gets hurt in the game, still leads comeback all while Jordan watches


He was barely over 21 for some of these games. Hell he was still 21 in those 00 series

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

Bron has some prolific haters man. He receives the most hate of any all time great ever. That hate has spread this bullshyt narrative that Lebron isn't clutch. It doesn't matter how many game winners you show them or any numbers/stats that prove he's clutch, they're going to continue believe that dumb shyt no matter what.

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[ISO]

And?according to thecoli, Kobe contributed nothing to those series and was just a minor sidekick like Kenny the jet. Bottom line, Kobe put up 28,29 and 25 throughout 2000-2001. Those are superstar numbers. Lebron played with Wade And bosh in 2011 and was scared to shoot. Kobe was a sidekick and took over at times when Shaq went down


Kobe, bad foot, Shaq not in the game towards the end, having a bad series. 21-22 years old


Shaq fouls out again, Kobe had missed games. Scored his career playoff high at the time


Shaq in those games, Kobe 9 40 point game streak.


Shaq fouls out, Kobe gets hurt in the game, still leads comeback all while Jordan watches


He was barely over 21 for some of these games. Hell he was still 21 in those 00 series

Your argument makes no sense they had different career circumstances it's completely lacking context. LeBron's '11 Finals were bad just like Kobe's '04 Finals neither are great indicators of how clutch they actually are as players. LeBron is the flat out better playoff performer. You stay posting Kobe videos like the same can't be done for LeBron.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Your argument makes no sense they had different career circumstances it's completely lacking context. LeBron's '11 Finals were bad just like Kobe's '04 Finals neither are great indicators of how clutch they actually are as players. LeBron is the flat out better playoff performer. You stay posting Kobe videos like the same can't be done for LeBron.

How not? You said Kobe had Shaq as if Shaq was the only reason kobe even played great during those times. Did the defense on Shaq open great opportunities for Kobe? Yes it did, I wouldn't deny that, but if Kobe was only able to put up highlight numbers cause of Shaq then how the hell his PPG remain the same and even rose after Shaq left? Post what a 21-23 year old Lebron was doing in the finals? 2004 kobe shot too much, 2011 Lebron refused to takeover and was outplayed by Jason terry and scared to post up jj barea, and that IS THE CONTEXT of this whole thread. Why is lebron consider not clutch? Isn't that what the thread is about? That 2011 series brought all those opinions about lebron not being clutch to the forefront. It didn't help that first take came into its prime around the same time and Skip and even SAS was killing lebron

Kobe shot too much during 04 and that's was the pistons plan. Did Kobe fail, of course he did, he failed in 08 against Boston too. Prime lebron could have dominated that Dallas series but was SCARED he didn't show no killer instinct and that was why he was getting bodied by the media the rest of that year. Two different scenarios. The forth quarter jokes by twitter and the memes about lebron were legendary

Lebron James is the most dynamic basketball player since Michael Jordan, but that doesn't stop NBA fans from creating brutal Lebron memes that make fun of him. Before he won a championship, there were plenty of "ring-less Lebron memes", but since he finally won one fans have moved on to making fun of his receding hairline. He's perhaps the most controversial player in NBA history, having moved to the Miami Heat after years of being with the Cleveland Cavaliers - only to return to the Cavs this season. Haters often mention his inability to perform in the fourth quarter, and his inclination to pass on the final shot rather than taking it himself. Is Lebron a basketball God, or does he deserve to be made fun of via memes and internet jokes? Vote for the ones you enjoyed the most, and downvote the memes that made you go "meh".

http://m.ranker.com/list/best-lebron-james-memes-on-the-internet/meme-dude
You never s seen nobody calling them Kobe or Jordan scared. You never seen nobody make memes saying Kobe was afraid to produce. Nikkas hate kobe much more than lebron and said everything negative about him BUT that. They called him a ball hog, a rapist, narcissistic, chased Shaq out of LA, Phil jackson wrote a goddamn book talking shyt about him. They called him everything BUT SCARED.
With Lebron, all they ever did was call him mentality weak, a scared bytch. He needed Wade to win, he doesn't have killer instinct. That narrative ran for years.

This shyt don't matter now. Lebron led a comeback against a 73 win team, brought a ring to Ohio, but let's not start revisionism here. Kobe never dealt with that kind of shyt that plaqued lebron

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Getting swept in the Finals started it

That don't make no sense. He had already made 4 game-winning shots in the playoffs in just 2 years at that point. He was dominating every fourth quarter of every meaningful game. He had had the epic 48-5-6 "score the final 25 points of the game" against the Pistons in Game 5 of the ECF. He had pulled the Cavs all the way to the Finals with Boobie freaking Gibson as his #2. And when they came home in that Finals, he played well down the stretch and nearly pulled in the Spurs in both games.

How the hell did that prove that he wasn't clutch?

Then, in the next two years he pulls out the 45-point Game 7 against the championship Celtics and the 39-8-8 ECF with the game-winning three in Game 2 against the Magic, and still can't lose the narrative?
Just shows how dumb this narrative has always been.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Let's forget that Lebron has pulled his team to six straight Finals.

Let's forget that Lebron owns the Finals MVP for 3 of the last 5 years.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has one of the highest 4th quarter playoff scoring averages in NBA history.


How about we ONLY focus on game-winners....what do we see?



Less than 24 seconds left, shot to tie or lead.

Lebron's made 43 in 13+ years, Kobe's made 55 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and %'s are better.



You want to make up a new criteria? How about it only counts if it's to take the lead and they win the game?

Then Lebron has 24 in 13 years, Kobe has 30 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still both better.



Okay, you don't like that one....how about shot to win with just 5 seconds or less left?

Lebron has 12 in 13 years, Kobe has 18 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still slightly better.



Maybe last 2 seconds is better for you?

Lebron has 10 in 13 years, Kobe has 11 in 20 years. Looking worse again for Kobe now.



Okay, maybe final second...

Lebron has 9 of those in 13 years, Kobe has 10 in 20 years. That's not even close, Lebron is destroying Kobe's pace and his % is better too.



Any way you cut it, Lebron hits game-winners at a higher rate and with a better % than Kobe ever did.

But he's not clutch.




And you don't even want to rework those numbers for the playoffs, because Lebron's numbers kick Kobe's ass there.

Final 24 seconds to lead to tie, Lebron is already up 8 to 7 in far fewer seasons and attempts (8-23 now compared to Kobe's 7-28).

Final 5 seconds and to win, Lebron is up 5 to 2. Lebron 5-12, Kobe 2-12.

4 to 1 in final second. Lebron 4-7, Kobe 1-4.


Are you just going to post another picture? Or maybe a youtube video that counts Kobe shots made with 30 seconds left as "game-winners".

 

[Jalether]

He certainly doesn't belong in the same discussion as truly clutch players like Horry, Reggie, Vince and jordan

 

[Originalman]

Let's forget that Lebron has pulled his team to six straight Finals.

Let's forget that Lebron owns the Finals MVP for 3 of the last 5 years.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has one of the highest 4th quarter playoff scoring averages in NBA history.


How about we ONLY focus on game-winners....what do we see?



Less than 24 seconds left, shot to tie or lead.

Lebron's made 43 in 13+ years, Kobe's made 55 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and %'s are better.



You want to make up a new criteria? How about it only counts if it's to take the lead and they win the game?

Then Lebron has 24 in 13 years, Kobe has 30 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still both better.



Okay, you don't like that one....how about shot to win with just 5 seconds or less left?

Lebron has 12 in 13 years, Kobe has 18 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still slightly better.



Maybe last 2 seconds is better for you?

Lebron has 10 in 13 years, Kobe has 11 in 20 years. Looking worse again for Kobe now.



Okay, maybe final second...

Lebron has 9 of those in 13 years, Kobe has 10 in 20 years. That's not even close, Lebron is destroying Kobe's pace and his % is better too.



Any way you cut it, Lebron hits game-winners at a higher rate and with a better % than Kobe ever did.

But he's not clutch.




And you don't even want to rework those numbers for the playoffs, because Lebron's numbers kick Kobe's ass there.

Final 24 seconds to lead to tie, Lebron is already up 8 to 7 in far fewer seasons and attempts (8-23 now compared to Kobe's 7-28).

Final 5 seconds and to win, Lebron is up 5 to 2. Lebron 5-12, Kobe 2-12.

4 to 1 in final second. Lebron 4-7, Kobe 1-4.


Are you just going to post another picture? Or maybe a youtube video that counts Kobe shots made with 30 seconds left as "game-winners".

^ came with the

 

[sfgiants]

you gotta be one effeminate fakkit to cape for a man who can't produce a single son in three tries over a man who already has 2, with at least one ready to take his spot in the NBA in the next 8 years

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

He certainly doesn't belong in the same discussion as truly clutch players like Horry, Reggie, Vince and jordan

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Let's forget that Lebron has pulled his team to six straight Finals.

Let's forget that Lebron owns the Finals MVP for 3 of the last 5 years.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has one of the highest 4th quarter playoff scoring averages in NBA history.


How about we ONLY focus on game-winners....what do we see?



Less than 24 seconds left, shot to tie or lead.

Lebron's made 43 in 13+ years, Kobe's made 55 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and %'s are better.



You want to make up a new criteria? How about it only counts if it's to take the lead and they win the game?

Then Lebron has 24 in 13 years, Kobe has 30 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still both better.



Okay, you don't like that one....how about shot to win with just 5 seconds or less left?

Lebron has 12 in 13 years, Kobe has 18 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still slightly better.



Maybe last 2 seconds is better for you?

Lebron has 10 in 13 years, Kobe has 11 in 20 years. Looking worse again for Kobe now.



Okay, maybe final second...

Lebron has 9 of those in 13 years, Kobe has 10 in 20 years. That's not even close, Lebron is destroying Kobe's pace and his % is better too.



Any way you cut it, Lebron hits game-winners at a higher rate and with a better % than Kobe ever did.

But he's not clutch.




And you don't even want to rework those numbers for the playoffs, because Lebron's numbers kick Kobe's ass there.

Final 24 seconds to lead to tie, Lebron is already up 8 to 7 in far fewer seasons and attempts (8-23 now compared to Kobe's 7-28).

Final 5 seconds and to win, Lebron is up 5 to 2. Lebron 5-12, Kobe 2-12.

4 to 1 in final second. Lebron 4-7, Kobe 1-4.


Are you just going to post another picture? Or maybe a youtube video that counts Kobe shots made with 30 seconds left as "game-winners".

none of these stats are percentage tho

you counting the NUMBER of them... is that out of 1000 tries or 100? it makes a difference

 

[Professor Emeritus]

none of these stats are percentage tho

you counting the NUMBER of them... is that out of 1000 tries or 100? it makes a difference

I gave the exact numbers for the playoff game-winners, and he has the obvious advantage in percentage on all of them.


He has the advantage in percentage in the overall game-winners too, though at times the advantage is slight. I pointed that out, though I didn't give the numbers. You can test it yourself on basketball reference using the same criteria I did. I didn't go through all that because no one who serious doubts that is going to be convinced by even more numbers anyway.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Kobe started it. Winning titles & being clutch.

It was only right that the media held Lebron to the same standards.

 

[blackzeus]

Let's forget that Lebron has pulled his team to six straight Finals.

Let's forget that Lebron owns the Finals MVP for 3 of the last 5 years.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest Game 7 scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has the highest elimination game scoring average in NBA history.

Let's forget that Lebron has one of the highest 4th quarter playoff scoring averages in NBA history.


How about we ONLY focus on game-winners....what do we see?



Less than 24 seconds left, shot to tie or lead.

Lebron's made 43 in 13+ years, Kobe's made 55 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and %'s are better.



You want to make up a new criteria? How about it only counts if it's to take the lead and they win the game?

Then Lebron has 24 in 13 years, Kobe has 30 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still both better.



Okay, you don't like that one....how about shot to win with just 5 seconds or less left?

Lebron has 12 in 13 years, Kobe has 18 in 20 years. Lebron's rate and % still slightly better.



Maybe last 2 seconds is better for you?

Lebron has 10 in 13 years, Kobe has 11 in 20 years. Looking worse again for Kobe now.



Okay, maybe final second...

Lebron has 9 of those in 13 years, Kobe has 10 in 20 years. That's not even close, Lebron is destroying Kobe's pace and his % is better too.



Any way you cut it, Lebron hits game-winners at a higher rate and with a better % than Kobe ever did.

But he's not clutch.




And you don't even want to rework those numbers for the playoffs, because Lebron's numbers kick Kobe's ass there.

Final 24 seconds to lead to tie, Lebron is already up 8 to 7 in far fewer seasons and attempts (8-23 now compared to Kobe's 7-28).

Final 5 seconds and to win, Lebron is up 5 to 2. Lebron 5-12, Kobe 2-12.

4 to 1 in final second. Lebron 4-7, Kobe 1-4.


Are you just going to post another picture? Or maybe a youtube video that counts Kobe shots made with 30 seconds left as "game-winners".

Kobe is retired and he is still on your mind Kobe played in the West his whole career, didn't try to team up with Tim Duncan or Chris Webber or none of that gay azz sh*t, Lebron basically got swept by a team Kobe dropped 62 on in 3 quarters. How you lose to the Mavs in your own city with Wade and Bosh on your team? More importantly, how you a grown azz man with no jumpshot 10 years in the game?