Who started the narrative that Lebron isn't clutch?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

5/7 > 3/7


We not talking about pippen, since he never led his own team to a championship.

But since we're just going to be strawmans, let's acknowledge Ray Allens shot, and Kyrie Irvings shot.

Without those Lebron would be Jerry West

Given that Shaq led the lakers to those first three titles your argument goes out the window dummy

 

[homiedontplaydat]

A dude with and 3 fmvps and undefeated in game 7s doesn't have killer instinct?

Im done

Those things don't dispell my points. The WEAKEST part of Brons game is his mental.....HIS WILL CAN BE BROKEN. We saw it last year b4 Draymond got suspended and Bogut/Iggy got hurt. When them warriors were running full throttle Lebron body language told the whole story. He didn't become HENNY BRON until the beast had been weakened by suspensions and injuries

I'm not saying Bron is a bad player, dude is top 5 all time imo but he's definitely the weakest mentally in the top 5. Like I said he's basically Gladiator from the Marvel universe, he describes Lebron perfectly imo

 

[Draje]

Imo it's not about how many game winners LeBron has made, it's more about his WILLINGNESS to take that shot.

Alot of Bron apologists will point to him "making the right play" during those crunch time moments......which he has at times but there have also been times where he DEFERRED to a less talented player instead of taking over. Bron is getting better stepping up when he needs to, but he's not cut from the same cloth as a Jordan, Kobe, or even IT in Boston right now.

You gotta be born with that dawg in u and LeBron just doesn't have it. One instance that always stood out to me was when Lebron wouldnt take that shot against Kobe at the Allstar game



That clip says it all

If Bron had TRUE KILLER INSTINCT he would be practically unstoppable. He reminds me of the character Gladiator from Marvel....when Lebron is front running he's damn near unstoppable, but once a hint of doubt enters his mind he can crumble like he did in 2011.

So Lebron scored 25 points straight against Detroit in a pivotal playoff game but has no killer instinct?

Is one of the best game 7 and elimination performers of all time but not clutch?

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Exactly, you keep deflecting, you chump fakkit.

You brought up how Lebron isn't clutch because of his regular season game tying shots and now you trying to run from it.

Who has more game winning/tying shots in the playoffs, who has more FMVPs (Since the Finals are all that matter), and who performs better in the finals?

3 FMVPs > 2 FMVPs

1 ring as the main guy > 3 rings watching your teammate get the FMVP

Look at this bih ass fakkit always getting in his feelings cause Kobe more respected than Bron. Kobe got 5 out of 7. Bron got 3 out of 7. Deal Younfakkit

I don't think either of them are capable of being the best player on a championship team.

But I think Wall can take an okay team to playoffs over the course of a regular season better than Kyrie but I also don't think Wall's game works as the number two option in the playoffs.

Kyrie is like Young Kobe in that he's pretty much a 1st option scoring talent that can get buckets against kinda defense you throw at him, even in the playoffs, so he's like the most dangerous 2nd option for someone like Lebron.

They're pretty much on the same tier, IMO. Wall is starting to bloom as a scorer this season.

So you still got guys who think Kyrie better than Wall????

 

[Draje]

Those things don't dispell my points. The WEAKEST part of Brons game is his mental.....HIS WILL CAN BE BROKEN. We saw it last year b4 Draymond got suspended and Bogut/Iggy got hurt. When them warriors were running full throttle Lebron body language told the whole story. He didn't become HENNY BRON until the beast had been weakened by suspensions and injuries

I'm not saying Bron is a bad player, dude is top 5 all time imo but he's definitely the weakest mentally in the top 5. Like I said he's basically Gladiator from the Marvel universe, he describes Lebron perfectly imo

You mean like when Kobe lost a 3-1 lead to the Suns and had a 2 point second half in a game 7 because he gave up?

Or like when JJ Barrera then Durant destroyed the Lakers spirit?

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Imo it's not about how many game winners LeBron has made, it's more about his WILLINGNESS to take that shot.

Alot of Bron apologists will point to him "making the right play" during those crunch time moments......which he has at times but there have also been times where he DEFERRED to a less talented player instead of taking over. Bron is getting better stepping up when he needs to, but he's not cut from the same cloth as a Jordan, Kobe, or even IT in Boston right now.

You gotta be born with that dawg in u and LeBron just doesn't have it. One instance that always stood out to me was when Lebron wouldnt take that shot against Kobe at the Allstar game



That clip says it all

If Bron had TRUE KILLER INSTINCT he would be practically unstoppable. He reminds me of the character Gladiator from Marvel....when Lebron is front running he's damn near unstoppable, but once a hint of doubt enters his mind he can crumble like he did in 2011.

Exactly, deferred twice, in an exhibition game.


"Made the right play" is an excuse for his deference

 

[Draje]

Look at this bih ass fakkit always getting in his feelings cause Kobe more respected than Bron. Kobe got 5 out of 7. Bron got 3 out of 7. Deal Younfakkit

So you still got guys who think Kyrie better than Wall????

Use logic and facts, you dumb fukks. All you morons use hypocritical defenses that never apply in Bron's favor but you'll flip the script when it gets out on you.

So do rings as the 2nd option matter as much as rings as the main man? If yes then you agree that Pippen is better than Kobe. If no then Lebron is better because he's won more rings as the main man.

Do playoffs matter more or do regular season matter more? If playoffs matter more then Lebron has more game winners on better percentage. If they don't then Kobe is more clutch but he's a much worse overall player because Lebron has way more regular season success and dominance.

Take your pick, fakkit.

 

[Draje]

Exactly, deferred twice, in an exhibition game.


"Made the right play" is an excuse for his deference

So MJ deferred to Steve Kerr?

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

So if rings where you don't lead your team to the championship don't matter then how are you giving Kobe credit for Shaq's rings?

Wasn't Shaq leading them in the finals? Aka the most important part of the season?

So either you a hypocrite and saying rings where you're not the main guy don't matter (So Pippen is better than Kobe because championships won is the metric you used) or they it does matter if you're the main guy so Kobe doesn't get credit for those first 3 rings.

So what's it gonna be?

Strawman arguments y'all

 

[homiedontplaydat]

So Lebron scored 25 points straight against Detroit in a pivotal playoff game but has no killer instinct?

Is one of the best game 7 and elimination performers of all time but not clutch?

Like I said he has his moments, but 4 years after that he shriveled up against what some would say is the worst Western Conference team to ever make the finals in Dallas

LEBRON IS A GREAT PLAYER

Its just too many times I've seen him go out with out swinging. I mean 2011 just doesn't happen to players with true killer instinct. His skirt got pulled up in that series and he'll never live that down

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

So MJ deferred to Steve Kerr?

Did you see the shot over Rusell? Lol

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

So MJ deferred to Steve Kerr?

Yeah. You're supposed to ignore wide open teammates to shoot a fadeaway through a double team just inside the arc

 

[Shadow King]

Some sports reporter in like 08...I wanna say Skip but I don't recall. But the narrative existed years before the Dallas series that series gave it credence for a hot minute.

 

[Draje]

Like I said he has his moments, but 4 years after that he shriveled up against what some would say is the worst Western Conference team to ever make the finals in Dallas

LEBRON IS A GREAT PLAYER

Its just too many times I've seen him go out with out swinging. I mean 2011 just doesn't happen to players with true killer instinct. His skirt got pulled up in that series and he'll never live that down

You mean that team that swept Kobe and the defending champions in 4 straight so badly that you had Lakers committing flagrants out of sheer frustration.

Again so Kobe going out and losing a 3-1 lead against the Suns and dropping a 2 point half in a game 7 isn't him going down without swinging?

So the rules are different for Bron or nah?

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Given that Shaq led the lakers to those first three titles your argument goes out the window dummy

Given how Shaq was on the bench during crunch time in the 4th because of his poor free throw shooting and opponents knowledge and hacking strategy,


It shows you Didn't even watch those Finals