Yall wouldn't know what to do with yourselves without BronI don't know when it started. I just want this ninja to retire though
Thankfully his bytchassness hasn't seemed to rub off on the young cats
Who started the narrative that Lebron isn't clutch?
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The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
lord have mercy
post his percentage on game winning and tying shots... period
then post it in comparison with others...
i will gladly say he's the _____ most clutch player based on the stats... period
again.. i said he's changing it... and again.. i said where it started... that's all i was saying
Trece
Superstar
Kobes sonning of Bron in allstar games used to make me cringe and I am a Kobe fan,
Slapping his ass in 2011
Yelling at him for not shooting in 2012
Blocking his shot twice in 2013
Three straight years of sonning another man brehs?
Looking like my post stunned Bron stans into silence
Lebron 42-135 = 31.1%
playoffs 8-23 = 34.8%
Kobe 55-194 = 28.3%
playoffs 7-28 = 25.0%
Durant 38-119 = 31.9%
playoffs 5-18 = 27.8%
Wade 26-102 = 25.5%
playoffs 3-10 = 30.0%
Westbrook 14-78 = 17.9%
playoffs 1-9 = 11.1%
Pierce 31-127 = 24.4%
playoffs 5-19 = 26.3%
Carmelo 35-110 = 35.4%
playoffs 1-8 = 12.5%
Curry 12-44 = 27.4%
playoffs 3-9 = 33.3%
And the idea that it "started" because he was a choker early in his career is bullshyt. 82games looked at game-winning shots back in 2009, and guess who was on top from 2003-2009?
NBA Game Winning Shots -- leading players
Lebron 17-50
Carter 16-51
Ray 15-39
Kobe 14-56
I'm missing the numbers for Pierre's first two seasons, but doubt that helps him. Everyone else should be complete. I only included superstars who draw the attention and create their own shot, not the secondary guys who benefit off someone else's ball-handling work.
Lebron got the "choked" narrative because he had higher expectations than any player in history, his team sacked for his first seven seasons but he still made the pass to the open guy, and then the 2011 Finals. It had nothing at all to do with the frequency at which he was actually taking and making game-winning shots or any other clutch shots.
No one gives a fukk. Lebron has regularly shytted on Kobe and the Lakers in actual games. Kobe has rarely ever been able to stop Lebron which is why Lebron's record against Kobe is lopsided.
Imagine thinking exhibition all-star games where teams focus more on putting on a show than actually taking it seriously means anything
The Devil's Advocate
Call me Dad
i stand corrected... you are 150% correct sir
lebron is a lot more clutch then we all have been giving him credit for
Ben.
Heisenbrook
At the garbage in the first couple pages of him still not being clutch despite his goat level performances in elimination games, game 7s, and clutch situations throughout the playoffs
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
Winning record and didn't make the finals where as kobe did for 3 years straight with and was waiting for him and the cavs in the finals
these two barely held each other and when they didAnd you still didn't answer my last post fakkit. All emotioniol cause Kobe more loved than Bron
Winning record and didn't make the finals where as kobe did for 3 years straight with and was waiting for him and the cavs in the finals
And you still didn't answer my last post fakkit. All emotioniol cause Kobe more loved than Bron
One of those guys had Mike Brown and the other had Phil Jackson. Mike Brown didn't even last a couple of years on the Lakers lmao
You bringing up exhibition games like those matter than regular season
Who has a better record in their actual meetings
Who puts up better numbers
Kobe was getting swept by JJ Barea and getting owned by Durant when Bron was waiting
Why couldn't Kobe make in 07
Kobe got less MVPs, less final MVPs, worse head to head numbers, worse head to head stats, and his only claim to fame against Lebron is a couple of plays on all-star weekend
Less game winners in the playoffs too
Jordan>>LeFrozen
It was written in the Bible
One of those guys had Mike Brown and the other had Phil Jackson. Mike Brown didn't even last a couple of years on the Lakers lmao
You bringing up exhibition games like those matter than regular season
Who has a better record in their actual meetings
Who puts up better numbers
Kobe was getting swept by JJ Barea and getting owned by Durant when Bron was waiting
Why couldn't Kobe make in 07
Kobe got less MVPs, less final MVPs, worse head to head numbers, worse head to head stats, and his only claim to fame against Lebron is a couple of plays on all-star weekend
Less game winners in the playoffs too
All that and still more respected than lebron
his clutch is never questioned nikkas say the mamba mentality. No one says Bron mentality. Bron had 3 tries at kobe and couldn't make it after getting swept by the Spurs.That's why you
not me.And stop being bipolar you fakkit
Kobe was a great passer with great creativity, a legit defensive stopper who brought it every night, and a much more confident/consistent scorer.
Stop comparing him to Wiggins. Wiggins is ungodly talented but he doesn't have the motor. It's why he isn't better than Giannis.
How he better than Towns when Towns scores more, on higher percentages?
Towns shoots better from 3, averages more PPG, is averaging more assists, and double digit rebounds
Towns can became 27-29 PPG scorer on elite efficiency while anchoring a defense and being a better passer as well.
"Do I like this nikka?
"I can't stand this nikka"
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How not? You said Kobe had Shaq as if Shaq was the only reason kobe even played great during those times. Did the defense on Shaq open great opportunities for Kobe? Yes it did, I wouldn't deny that, but if Kobe was only able to put up highlight numbers cause of Shaq then how the hell his PPG remain the same and even rose after Shaq left? Post what a 21-23 year old Lebron was doing in the finals? 2004 kobe shot too much, 2011 Lebron refused to takeover and was outplayed by Jason terry and scared to post up jj barea, and that IS THE CONTEXT of this whole thread. Why is lebron consider not clutch? Isn't that what the thread is about? That 2011 series brought all those opinions about lebron not being clutch to the forefront. It didn't help that first take came into its prime around the same time and Skip and even SAS was killing lebron
Kobe shot too much during 04 and that's was the pistons plan. Did Kobe fail, of course he did, he failed in 08 against Boston too. Prime lebron could have dominated that Dallas series but was SCARED he didn't show no killer instinct and that was why he was getting bodied by the media the rest of that year. Two different scenarios. The forth quarter jokes by twitter and the memes about lebron were legendary
http://m.ranker.com/list/best-lebron-james-memes-on-the-internet/meme-dude
You never s seen nobody calling them Kobe or Jordan scared. You never seen nobody make memes saying Kobe was afraid to produce. Nikkas hate kobe much more than lebron and said everything negative about him BUT that. They called him a ball hog, a rapist, narcissistic, chased Shaq out of LA, Phil jackson wrote a goddamn book talking shyt about him. They called him everything BUT SCARED.
With Lebron, all they ever did was call him mentality weak, a scared bytch. He needed Wade to win, he doesn't have killer instinct. That narrative ran for years.
This shyt don't matter now. Lebron led a comeback against a 73 win team, brought a ring to Ohio, but let's not start revisionism here. Kobe never dealt with that kind of shyt that plaqued lebron
Even SAS couldn't take it anymore
Why are people using rings and nba finals appearance in this debate. what's the relevance?
objectively in terms of true clutchness, i.e last 40 seconds or less, only two nba players have consistently come up with the goods late in the fourth with impressive efficiency: Robert Horry and reggie miller but they are not legends or superstars (the former especially) so they may seem unimpressive to some people.
If we look at it objectively the likes of Kobe, lebron are not clutch. if you attempt enough last seconds shots, you are bound to make a few. it's called law of averages.
objectively in terms of true clutchness, i.e last 40 seconds or less, only two nba players have consistently come up with the goods late in the fourth with impressive efficiency: Robert Horry and reggie miller but they are not legends or superstars (the former especially) so they may seem unimpressive to some people.
If we look at it objectively the likes of Kobe, lebron are not clutch. if you attempt enough last seconds shots, you are bound to make a few. it's called law of averages.
You Kobe Stans and your "alternative facts".
Lebron didn't get swept by no Dallas team, he took them to 6. And Kobe didn't drop 62 on that team, he DID get swept, and he was on the stacked defending champs.
You just tried to insult Lebron by falsely accusing him of failing in the exact way that Kobe DID fail.
How dumb is you?
If you can't do nothing but lie, your argument is ass.
Lebron wasn't no 10 years into the game, he was only 25 when that season started and had never had shyt for coaching. And within two years he'd be destroying San Antonio in Game 7 of the Finals with his jump shot.
That's how dominant he is that you reduced to these weak-ass arguments. One of the greatest passers in the game, a DPOY candidate, one of the best drivers and finishers ever, one of the clutches playoff performers by any measure. .. And all you're left with is trying to claim that at 25 a 270lb forward hadn't developed his jump shot fast enough, and even THAT was something he turned into a strength in time.
1) I said "basically got swept" They won one game by 2 points and another game by 6 points. There was no domination, a few missed shots it would have been a 4 game sweep.
2) Kobe did drop 62 on the Mavs in 3 quarters, that's not an alternative fact
Has Lebron scored 62 points in a full game yet? 3) Lebron lost to a white boy with Wade and Bosh on his team, on top of that lost in his own city. Don't make me pull up that gif of Kobe daring Lebron to take a shot
I guarantee you if Kyrie was on that Heat team though it might have been a different series 4) He's so good that he cries publicly about not having a playmaker on his team
As long as Lebron continues to pass to Kyrie in the clutch he'll be ok breh, we all know who the real star on that team is, just ask Lebron
Kyrie Irving on playing alongside LeBron James: 'I became a fan'
Translation: I only came to Cleveland because I knew Kyrie would take me to the promise land
Johnny Kilroy
79 points in 1 quarter
That this is even a question speaks to his greatness. The man is really a 4 and we compare him to 2 guards. How many clutch shots have Barkley, Malone and Duncan hit? All time greats at the position who don't have half his skill.
He's not a great clutch shooter because he's not a great shooter period. Yet he still hits clutch shots anyway. I never saw Utah run an iso for Karl Malone in the waining seconds.
He's not a great clutch shooter because he's not a great shooter period. Yet he still hits clutch shots anyway. I never saw Utah run an iso for Karl Malone in the waining seconds.
The Heat won the 1st and 3rd games by 8 points and 2 points, and lost the 2nd and 4th by 2 points and 3 points.
They were MUCH closer to "nearly sweeping" the Mavs than "nearly got swept".
You got to be the only one in board history to refer to a 2-2 tied series where the team in question outscored the other team by 5 overall as "nearly got swept".
Meanwhile, Kobe's Lakers DID get swept by the Mavs, and their four losses were by a combined 56 points.
How you still trying to prop up Kobe, who DID get swept and by a LOT, by claiming that Lebron "nearly got swept" when his series was tied 2-2 and his team had outscored the other team over those games.
2) Kobe did drop 62 on the Mavs in 3 quarters, that's not an alternative fact
That was SIX YEARS EARLIER and in the REGULAR SEASON. That game had NOTHING to do with the 2011 Finals.
In the 2011 Playoffs, which are actually relevant, the Lakers got outscored by 56 over four games and Kobe was dominated in his individual matchup by Jason Terry.
Bosh was the one getting dominated by that White boy. And, again, weren't Kobe's defending champ Lakers destroyed in a 4-game sweep by that same White boy?
The only thing Kyrie was winning without Lebron was the first pick in the draft in back-to-back years.
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