Who will win another SB 1st? Peyton Manning or Tom Brady?

[Trip]

That doesnt explain at all how their time has passed. They were clearly the best team in the AFC last season.

The NFC teams sure...Giants, GB and NO you could make a case for...but the AFC, nah...unless Houston actually stays healthy for once. But I dont see them slowing down the Pats,

 

[No1]

Did you not read my first post? Other teams have elite QBs. Other teams have top notch defenses. Just because a team is favored doesn't mean they are gonna win. When is the last time they weren't favored? It's just seems to me that the magic that they had when they won the 3 SBs is gone and now instead of finding ways to win they always find a way to lose.

Your post was so terrible that I didn't bother responding to it. It was one of the most uninformed and non-football analysis I've ever read. I called you LastEmp when I was first responding. That's how bad it was.

But I'll entertain it once more. First off you named a bunch of unproven quarterbacks to try to make your point. That's strike one. It's like you don't watch games. Second, you included Brees in that list who is Brady's age

Third, you talked about losing magic and then named Rogers who is statistically one of the worst come from behind quarterbacks in NFL history. Which is why I said at the beginning of last season that when they play someone and Rogers get tested by a real defense, they'll lose. I said this while all the Rogers = GOAT shyt that was going on last year and then what happened? Just like I said it would.

As far as the AFC goes, Peyton Manning is not in any discussion until we know he's back. So basically you have two elite quarterbacks in the ENTIRE AFC, Brady and Ben. Brady is better than Ben and the Pats have a better team than the Steelers. The Giants take every other year off. Odds are they miss the playoffs this year. You done yet?

2007 - lost on a miracle. 2008 - no Brady. 2009- no defense and two weapons on offense. 2010-overachieved off the strength of Brady going 36 and 4. 2011- overachieved even greater with that defense.

2012- a better offense on paper, a better defense that should be top 15 in the league.

So explain to me how exactly are there all these teams better than the Pats and how Brady is done? Have you looked at the Pats schedule. They play the Ravens on the road and obviously the division rivalry games on the road, but everyone else is playing them at their house. 49ers and Texans. The Texans got worse. The 49ers still have Smith at QB. But more importantly all these teams you all keep talking about play in the NFC.

The Steelers are going to be worse than they were last year and they just pulled the offer to Wallace. Of all the AFC Teams that made the playoffs last year, the Patriots made the greatest improvements. That's right, the team that went to the SB made the greatest improvements on paper. Yet somehow you're talking about all these teams and elite QBs and blah blah blah. The Patriots will have to face at most one elite QB in the playoffs. Unless Peyton is back and they get Broncos and then Steelers or something.

The Patriots HAVE to win it this year. This is the year where they seemingly have all the pieces (maybe not a free safety), but if all their players play up to their potential they should go 14-2 and in the Superbowl. That's just being realistic.

If you're going to run around naming Luck and RGIII then I can point out that Ryan Mallet is sitting right there waiting in the wings and when Brady's gone, he'll be in his prime with Gronk and Hernandez if they lock him up next year. I'm not saying the Pats will win (as a Pats fa, I voted no), but the idea of them losing "magic." Is a bit ridiculous. They lost two SBs on last minute drives with amazing catches. Stop.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

That doesnt explain at all how their time has passed. They were clearly the best team in the AFC last season.

The NFC teams sure...Giants, GB and NO you could make a case for...but the AFC, nah...unless Houston actually stays healthy for once. But I dont see them slowing down the Pats,

You so sure about that?

They beat 1 team with a winning record, ONE TEAM.

They had the most cupcakey schedule possible and they rode to a SB off that. That Ravens game was such a fluke win, there was nothing clear about them. Lost to any decent team, got some fluke playoff wins, lost the SB.

They just caught some breaks, stop kissing the ring because you're a Jets fan

 

[FTBS]

That doesnt explain at all how their time has passed. They were clearly the best team in the AFC last season.

The NFC teams sure...Giants, GB and NO you could make a case for...but the AFC, nah...unless Houston actually stays healthy for once. But I dont see them slowing down the Pats,

Based on your woulda coulda shoulda logic the Ravens shoudla beat them last year. Only AFC opponent they have dominated since 07 was Denver last year. Otherwise it's been a whole lotta close games with them on the wrong side of it. They are basically like the Yankees in the 2000s except there is a salary cap so they can't pull a CC/Tex type deal to get them over the hump. I could be wrong and I will be the first to acknowledge it if I am but I just don't see Brady or Manning winning again.

 

[Trip]

You so sure about that?

They beat 1 team with a winning record, ONE TEAM.

They had the most cupcakey schedule possible and they rode to a SB off that. That Ravens game was such a fluke win, there was nothing clear about them. Lost to any decent team, got some fluke playoff wins, lost the SB.

They just caught some breaks, stop kissing the ring because you're a Jets fan

the Patriots win 12 games every season I could care less what their schedule was like.

 

[No1]

Based on your woulda coulda shoulda logic the Ravens shoudla beat them last year. Only AFC opponent they have dominated since 07 was Denver last year. Otherwise it's been a whole lotta close games with them on the wrong side of it. They are basically like the Yankees in the 2000s except there is a salary cap so they can't pull a CC/Tex type deal to get them over the hump. I could be wrong and I will be the first to acknowledge it if I am but I just don't see Brady or Manning winning again.

They won all their SBs by three All their SBs are close. Just stop posting.

They might not win again but it won't be because of the voodoo you're talking about. It'll be because someone is better than them, like the Giants had a better team than them. As of RIGHT now.

Who in the AFC has a better team than the New England Patriots? I'll wait.

 

[Trip]

Based on your woulda coulda shoulda logic the Ravens shoudla beat them last year. Only AFC opponent they have dominated since 07 was Denver last year. Otherwise it's been a whole lotta close games with them on the wrong side of it. They are basically like the Yankees in the 2000s except there is a salary cap so they can't pull a CC/Tex type deal to get them over the hump. I could be wrong and I will be the first to acknowledge it if I am but I just don't see Brady or Manning winning again.

They could very well not win it again....but if you make the playoffs, which the Patriots always do...they have a shot.

A welker drop and an absurd catch by Manningham...its not like the Patriots got blown out. They should have won that game.

 

[Listen]

They won all their SBs by three All their SBs are close. Just stop posting.

They might not win again but it won't be because of the voodoo you're talking about. It'll be because someone is better than them, like the Giants had a better team than them. As of RIGHT now.

Who in the AFC has a better team than the New England Patriots? I'll wait.

This mutherfukker is preaching in here. He's so on point I lost the need to post. shyt, he's so on point I might just leave this thread and never come back.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

the Patriots win 12 games every season I could care less what their schedule was like.

These clowns harp on how easy the Pats schedule is every year.....despite the fact that it rotates in a predictable, fair manner.

 

[FTBS]

Your post was so terrible that I didn't bother responding to it. It was one of the most uninformed and non-football analysis I've ever read. I called you LastEmp when I was first responding. That's how bad it was.

But I'll entertain it once more. First off you named a bunch of unproven quarterbacks to try to make your point. That's strike one. It's like you don't watch games. Second, you included Brees in that list who is Brady's age

Third, you talked about losing magic and then named Rogers who is statistically one of the worst come from behind quarterbacks in NFL history. Which is why I said at the beginning of last season that when they play someone and Rogers get tested by a real defense, they'll lose. I said this while all the Rogers = GOAT shyt that was going on last year and then what happened? Just like I said it would.

As far as the AFC goes, Peyton Manning is not in any discussion until we know he's back. So basically you have two elite quarterbacks in the ENTIRE AFC, Brady and Ben. Brady is better than Ben and the Pats have a better team than the Steelers. The Giants take every other year off. Odds are they miss the playoffs this year. You done yet?

2007 - lost on a miracle. 2008 - no Brady. 2009- no defense and two weapons on offense. 2010-overachieved off the strength of Brady going 36 and 4. 2011- overachieved even greater with that defense.

2012- a better offense on paper, a better defense that should be top 15 in the league.

So explain to me how exactly are there all these teams better than the Pats and how Brady is done? Have you looked at the Pats schedule. They play the Ravens on the road and obviously the division rivalry games on the road, but everyone else is playing them at their house. 49ers and Texans. The Texans got worse. The 49ers still have Smith at QB. But more importantly all these teams you all keep talking about play in the NFC.

The Steelers are going to be worse than they were last year and they just pulled the offer to Wallace. Of all the AFC Teams that made the playoffs last year, the Patriots made the greatest improvements. That's right, the team that went to the SB made the greatest improvements on paper. Yet somehow you're talking about all these teams and elite QBs and blah blah blah. The Patriots will have to face at most one elite QB in the playoffs. Unless Peyton is back and they get Broncos and then Steelers or something.

The Patriots HAVE to win it this year. This is the year where they seemingly have all the pieces (maybe not a free safety), but if all their players play up to their potential they should go 14-2 and in the Superbowl. That's just being realistic.

If you're going to run around naming Luck and RGIII then I can point out that Ryan Mallet is sitting right there waiting in the wings and when Brady's gone, he'll be in his prime with Gronk and Hernandez if they lock him up next year. I'm not saying the Pats will win (as a Pats fa, I voted no), but the idea of them losing "magic." Is a bit ridiculous. They lost two SBs on last minute drives with amazing catches. Stop.

Didn't they win their first 2 SBs on last minute drives?

at the nikkas wearing the most recent 5 SB rings and putting up 3 of the best qb performances ever last year (along with Brady)being unproven. My point with the young guns was that there is no rest for the weary and that top players just keep coming. BTW this ain't basketball were the best team almost always wins and experience trumps ability. Pats lost in 07 with one of the better teams ever assembled so how does going on and on about how good they are supposed to be this year prove that they will actually win it. It probably makes them less likely. When is the last time the consensus best team coming into the season actaully won the SB?

I didn't say anything about age I said it seems like what the Pats and Brady and Beli had when they were winning is now on the side of the teams they are facing. I didn't make a definitive statement because that is obviously impossible to quantify...I said "I think". If I am proven wrong feel free to gloat. My argument wasn't based so much in fact (you can't really base a prediction in fact seeing as how you have no real way of know how things will actually play out) as it was in a hunch I have based upon what I have seen during years of watching sports.

 

[FTBS]

They won all their SBs by three All their SBs are close. Just stop posting.

They might not win again but it won't be because of the voodoo you're talking about. It'll be because someone is better than them, like the Giants had a better team than them. As of RIGHT now.

Who in the AFC has a better team than the New England Patriots? I'll wait.

Giants didnt' have a better team in 07. Jets were not better last year. Point is being the best team on paper doesn't guarantee victory in the NFL.

All their SBs have been close and now they have been on the wrong side of that closeness. The bounces that went their way before haven't been lately. You can call it voodoo if you want but you can't deny their fortunes have been much worse the last few years than they were when they were winning.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Tom. And he's a better quarterback

 

[FTBS]

They could very well not win it again....but if you make the playoffs, which the Patriots always do...they have a shot.

A welker drop and an absurd catch by Manningham...its not like the Patriots got blown out. They should have won that game.

And they shoulda lost the game before. We can play the shoulda, coulda, woulda game all day. You can't have it both ways and give them props for close wins and then dismiss their close losses.

 

[Trip]

And they shoulda lost the game before. We can play the shoulda, coulda, woulda game all day. You can't have it both ways and give them props for close wins and then dismiss their close losses.

that's the way football works though. My point is, you get a seat at the table in the playoffs you have a shot...teams get unlucky and lucky sometimes.

Look at Kyle Williams, or Darren Sproles from last year.

Niners got the bounces against the Saints and then they didnt get them the following week. A lot of luck involved in winning a SB...

With the Pats though, they've been consistent with Brady and to write them off doesnt make sense imo.

 

[No1]

These clowns harp on how easy the Pats schedule is every year.....despite the fact that it rotates in a predictable, fair manner.

The thing about it is, these guys act like other teams that won a bunch of games are in divisions with juggernauts. Take out the AFC North and what exactly are we talking about and what did they do in the playoffs? The Packers had the easiest schedule in the league last year but no one had a problem with that

I'm sure the 49ers struggled in the NFC West. The Broncos really had a tough division didn't they? How ever did the Texans deal with the Juggernaut Titans and the Jags and Peyton-less Colts? The Saints had a tough time with those Panthers and Bucs huh? Oh wait, that's right, the overrated Falcons were in that division. The team I told everyone from jump that wouldn't do shyt and Turner's starting to fall off. Expect a Shaun like year

But-but-but the Pats schedule was easy. So why didn't all these battle-tested squads perform better in the playoffs?

Let's look at all the teams that won at least 12 games last year.

Steelers- lost to Tebow

Ravens - Struggled with a Texans team that was on its THIRD string QB, and then lost to the Pats in a game they supposedly "should have won" except for the fact that the only reason that last drive was possible was because Brady was having some uncharacteristic fun out there instead of throwing to a wide open Welker. Oh yeah, and they blew a lead going into the 4th quarter and didn't score in the entire quarter against the NFL's WORST defense.

Saints- slapped up the Lions wack defense and then got bullied by the 49ers.

49ers- choked against the Giants who they were better than.

Packers - embarrassed by the Giants.

Pats- destroyed the Broncos, came from behind against the "superior" Ravens and barely lost the SB without their best offensive weapon.


Too bad those rugged schedules could not have made those teams tougher