Who would you rather have: 29 year old Lebron or Wilt Chamberlain

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this is what Kareem said in his book about him

When Abdul-Jabbar published his autobiography in 1990, he retaliated by writing a paper titled "To Wilt Chumperlane [sic]" in which he stated "Now that I am done playing, history will remember me as someone who helped teammates to win, while you will be remembered as a crybaby, a loser, and a quitter."

that doesn't sound like a great teammate to me
 

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I'd take Wilt over anyone to build around

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everything i just said was a fact tell me where i'm wrong and i'll listen
A fact based on what, your imagination? Before I waste my time typing anything, you stated you believe the average height of CENTERS back than was 6-6. Do you actually believe that? If you say yes, I'm not even going to waste my time. It'd be like trying to discuss the technical details of a Saturn IV rocket with a conspiracy nut that doesn't believe NASA went to the moon.
 

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A fact based on what, your imagination? Before I waste my time typing anything, you stated you believe the average height of CENTERS back than was 6-6. Do you actually believe that? If you say yes, I'm not even going to waste my time. It'd be like trying to discuss the technical details of a Saturn IV rocket with a conspiracy nut that doesn't believe NASA went to the moon.

no i was being facetious

i believe the avg was about 6'9"

i'm not gonna get in a debate about this i only wanna know this

what do you think Wilt would of avg if he played anytime from the 90's to now
 

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Forward/Centers

Tom Heinsohn F-C 6-7
Joe Ruklick F-C 6-9
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7
Red Kerr C-F 6-9
Dolph Schayes F-C 6-7
C. Buckner F-C 6-9
Johnny Green F-C 6-5
Phil Jordon C-F 6-10
Willie Naulls F-C 6-6
Howie Jolliff F-C 6-7
Jim Krebs C-F 6-8
Rudy LaRusso F-C 6-7
Wayne Embry C-F 6-8
Hub Reed C-F 6-9
Bob Ferry C-F 6-8
Ray Scott F-C 6-9
Larry Foust C-F 6-9
Clyde Lovellette C-F 6-9
Bob Pettit F-C 6-9
W. Sauldsberry F-C 6-7
Archie Dees F-C 6-8
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7
Dave Piontek F-C 6-6
Charlie Tyra C-F 6-8
Bill Russell C 6-9
Wilt Chamberlain C 7-2
Darrall Imhoff C 6-10
Ray Felix C 6-11
Wayne Yates C 6-8
Bevo Nordmann C 6-10
Walter Dukes C 7-0
Walt Bellamy C 6-11

so that's listed height no telling how exaggerated they are but more than 90% would be considered undersized by today's standards
 

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no i was being facetious

i believe the avg was about 6'9"

i'm not gonna get in a debate about this i only wanna know this

what do you think Wilt would of avg if he played anytime from the 90's to now

Who's gonna coach him? We're talking about fictional stuff here. I don't like to make projections I'll just say this - no player would out rebound him no matter what his role was. If he was asked to take on a scoring role no player would outscore him, if he was asked to be balanced on offense and assists a-la his 76er years under Alex Hannum no big man would outscore him and no big man let alone 95% of everyone else in the league including guards would generate more assists than he would and nobody would have a higher fg% than he would. The man in 1973, 1 season before they officially recorded blocked shots, had 43 of his games blocked shots tracked via newspapers. He was 36 years old at the time, and he blocked 5.43 shots per game in that 43 game sample size - enough to draw a reasonable average. 1 season later after he'd retired the league officially started to record blocks and Kareem lead the league with "just" 3.5. Wilt in the modern era would be leading the league in blocks his entire career as well. Like I said I'm not gonna spout numbers, there are too many variables for ANYONE to attempt to spout off numbers and try to pretend they are any sort of realistic guess - all I know is what he DID accomplish. He's got some of his peers like Clyde Frazier and Billy Cunningham convinced he'd average even more ridiculous numbers today than back then. Then you've got kids today thinking he'd be festus ezeli out there. So yah, I'm not getting into a debate about fictional numbers. I believe he'd be just as relatively dominant now as he was back then though. He'd still be record chasing today.
 

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Forward/Centers

Tom Heinsohn F-C 6-7
Joe Ruklick F-C 6-9
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7
Red Kerr C-F 6-9
Dolph Schayes F-C 6-7
C. Buckner F-C 6-9
Johnny Green F-C 6-5
Phil Jordon C-F 6-10
Willie Naulls F-C 6-6
Howie Jolliff F-C 6-7
Jim Krebs C-F 6-8
Rudy LaRusso F-C 6-7
Wayne Embry C-F 6-8
Hub Reed C-F 6-9
Bob Ferry C-F 6-8
Ray Scott F-C 6-9
Larry Foust C-F 6-9
Clyde Lovellette C-F 6-9
Bob Pettit F-C 6-9
W. Sauldsberry F-C 6-7
Archie Dees F-C 6-8
Joe Graboski F-C 6-7
Dave Piontek F-C 6-6
Charlie Tyra C-F 6-8
Bill Russell C 6-9
Wilt Chamberlain C 7-2
Darrall Imhoff C 6-10
Ray Felix C 6-11
Wayne Yates C 6-8
Bevo Nordmann C 6-10
Walter Dukes C 7-0
Walt Bellamy C 6-11

so that's listed height no telling how exaggerated they are but more than 90% would be considered undersized by today's standards

Your listing guys that played no position higher than SMALL FORWARD in the NBA. The "C/F" monikers on bball reference are just as B.S. as the underrated list info from that era on that site. Those are the positions those players played in COLLEGE. Not the NBA. Johnny Green for example, was never an NBA center. He was a wing player in the NBA. Tommy Heinson played his entire career with Bill Russell. You think he even played 1 minute as a center for the Celtics with Russell on the team? No he did not, he never played center in the NBA. These things should be common knowledge to people who actually know basketball history from that era.
 

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I don't think he be featus

I think he avg somewhere around 28 and 12 with ups and downs thru seasons

I just think his stats can't be gauged properly

But I truly think shag and dream would be his peers
 

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I don't think he be featus

I think he avg somewhere around 28 and 12 with ups and downs thru seasons

I just think his stats can't be gauged properly

But I truly think shag and dream would be his peers

Even with fictitious "pace" adjustments Wilt has the 3rd highest regular season TRB% of any player in NBA history (behind only Rodman and Russell) and he has the highest playoff TRB% of any player in NBA history - behind no one. Yet you think he'd be grabbing "12 rpg". Get real.

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Your listing guys that played no position higher than SMALL FORWARD in the NBA. The "C/F" monikers on bball reference are just as B.S. as the underrated list info from that era on that site. Those are the positions those players played in COLLEGE. Not the NBA. Johnny Green for example, was never an NBA center. He was a wing player in the NBA.

Those were every single player listed under F-C

And Johnny green did start at what would be consider the PF many times infact he did right next to Wilt a few times as well he lead his Knicks teams in rebounds a few years to boot
 

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Those were every single player listed under F-C

And Johnny green did start at what would be consider the PF many times infact he did right next to Wilt a few times as well he lead his Knicks teams in rebounds a few years to boot
I already stated that list info is B.S. - both positionaly and size wise.

Fun fact: Jordan lead his bulls in rebounding as a rookie. So I guess that makes him the Power Forward of the Chicago Bulls as a 6-4.88" 194lb rookie right?
 

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Pre-Merger NBA?:scusthov:


Look how easy this guy got to the hoop with a one handed dribble:childplease:

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