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Who's got the goat post up game?
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PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND BASKETBALL KNOW THAT KOBES GAME WAS MORE JERRY WEST THAN IT WAS MJ
I said MJ. His fadeaway jumper and post work was flawless during that second three peat.
Kobe was diet MJ. Used all his moves but wasn't nearly as efficient.
Hakeem was great down there. So was Kareem and the Mailman.
But MJ was the most unstoppable.
Dudes sayin Al Jefferson need to relax
Kobe was diet MJ. Used all his moves but wasn't nearly as efficient.
Hakeem was great down there. So was Kareem and the Mailman.
But MJ was the most unstoppable.
Dudes sayin Al Jefferson need to relax
Columbo
Lieutenant
Like i said id prefer to get the facts right even if that means someone proves me wrong, how many coli nikkas would say something like that?
But you kinda proved my point, maybe i was wrong about who Jordan idolized but every great basketball player idolizes someone that came before them
I was just trying to defend Kobe, for years nikkas been saying he stole everything from MJ. They say it like its a bad thing, its just one of the several tactics and garbage takes brehs use to discredit Kobe
Hes an all time great regardless
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
I have to go back to read the thread.
To see what the full discussion was.
No Connie Hawkins on here made me leave earlier.
Art Barr
Columbo
Lieutenant
Fixed it for you breh, you can change your vote if you already voted
Jordan is the greatest guard post up player.
For bigs it gets interesting, but Hakeem should get the nod. When it comes to pure skill, it's him by far, but other guys were arguably more dominant in the post like Shaq. But in terms of technique and skill it's Hakeem.
For bigs it gets interesting, but Hakeem should get the nod. When it comes to pure skill, it's him by far, but other guys were arguably more dominant in the post like Shaq. But in terms of technique and skill it's Hakeem.
No other player has had the footwork, counters, strength, shot package, mentality/exigency, all from the low, mid and high-post; let alone done it during a period where zone-defense was in play (which makes it harder since you're not just spamming 1v1 weakside possessions) against the best defenders and most-advanced schemes in history (up to that point).
I respect the hell out of this post but Jordan gets the nod.
Kobe arguably has more moves and more intricate footwork but Jordan was more physically and athletically gifted so he didn't have to work as hard, it came easier to him.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
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@Gil Scott-Heroin
I agree with @CarltonJunior , it also has to come down to who is putting the ball in the cup more efficiently. Its close between the two out of the post aesthetically, but MJ was better at getting the ball in the cup. MJs post game was the main catalyst of a three-peat (96-98). At ages 33-35 he was able to average 48% fg with heavy usage out of the post.
Comparing washed Jordan 02-03 season to championship Kobe 08-09, Kobe has a slight edge from 10-16 feet (45% (48% in '10) to 44%) and only slightly better from 16-23 feet (43% to 42%), also equal on jumpers 41% to 41%. And this is washed Mike. I dont see a breakdown of post shots but good post work can also get you layups if enough space is created. which mike excelled at.
Kobe Bryant 2008-09 Shooting | Basketball-Reference.com
I couldn't find mid-range shooting stats from 96-98, thats why I had to use Wizards Mike, but i think its safe to assume Mike beats those numbers in 96-98.
I give Kobe the edge on facing better schemes and better 1 on 1 defenders though
But I give Mike the footwork edge
I'll see your zone argument and offer that they defended the three a lot less in the mid 90s compared to 08-10. So there would be more of a crowd around the mid-post area. Not even sure what percentage of time teams were using zones from 08-10, but you have a fair point
I agree with @CarltonJunior , it also has to come down to who is putting the ball in the cup more efficiently. Its close between the two out of the post aesthetically, but MJ was better at getting the ball in the cup. MJs post game was the main catalyst of a three-peat (96-98). At ages 33-35 he was able to average 48% fg with heavy usage out of the post.
Comparing washed Jordan 02-03 season to championship Kobe 08-09, Kobe has a slight edge from 10-16 feet (45% (48% in '10) to 44%) and only slightly better from 16-23 feet (43% to 42%), also equal on jumpers 41% to 41%. And this is washed Mike. I dont see a breakdown of post shots but good post work can also get you layups if enough space is created. which mike excelled at.
Kobe Bryant 2008-09 Shooting | Basketball-Reference.com
I couldn't find mid-range shooting stats from 96-98, thats why I had to use Wizards Mike, but i think its safe to assume Mike beats those numbers in 96-98.
I give Kobe the edge on facing better schemes and better 1 on 1 defenders though
But I give Mike the footwork edge
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
See -
"I specifically stated players had more freedom to go 1v1 - not that they didn't get doubled team, at all. It's a simple fact players in the post benefited from less defensive coverage/attention during that period(s); it's partly the reason why post plays aren't a staple in NBA offenses like they once were when teams could exploit M2M defense, when you either had to stay on your man (who was typically cleared out on the strong side - where you had 6-8 players all huddled together, right away from the ball), or hard double - you couldn't just hang around in the vicinity acting as a defensive shadow on the ball-handler."
Shamrock32
Pro
Hakeem
Dream had everything. So did Duncan from a technical standpoint but he wasn't as quick, agile or fluid as Hakeem.
Dream had everything. So did Duncan from a technical standpoint but he wasn't as quick, agile or fluid as Hakeem.
kingest_kong
Pro
People voted Kobe over Jordan for post up?!?!? That’s how I know some of you didn’t watch Jordan play