Why Aaron Rodgers Grade Was Just Average Versus The Chiefs (PFF Article)

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-discuss-pff-for-a-second.359326/

Like I said in the above thread, all it takes is an understanding on how they grade a player's performance and PROPER context. It's basically the 'eye test', without overvaluing big plays.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

in general, PFF is as good as any source of advanced analysis. the only thing I cant really fukk with is them grading defensive backs without seeing the all-22 first. that just doesnt sit right with me, some dudes guessing what the coverages were supposed to do off a tv cam ...but other than that, I have no beef with their grades. I have no beef with their evaluation of arod here. it's consistent with their grading system.

They usually go over the All-22 tape when it comes out, and adjust the gradings where necessary.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

*points to sig*

 

[FSP]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/lets-discuss-pff-for-a-second.359326/

Like I said in the above thread, all it takes is an understanding on how they grade a player's performance and PROPER context. It's basically the 'eye test', without overvaluing big plays.

You really can't be claiming proper context if you didn't know what the play call was.

Then again I haven't seen any NFL'er dispute anything they've ever said.

Still though, there's no way. Especially if the grades come out before the All-22.

The All-22 is what the coaches are using for film study and gameplanning, so I feel judging performance with anything less than that is premature at best

I feel like their meaning of "context" is shoddy at best, because they factor out things that are totally important to football, like opportunity, risk management. PFF is basically what you should pay attention to if football weren't about winning and they were all just playing to make an A on the test with no invested interest in anything else

 

[Doctor Doom]

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You really can't be claiming proper context if you didn't know what the play call was.

Then again I haven't seen any NFL'er dispute anything they've ever said.

Still though, there's no way. Especially if the grades come out before the All-22.

The All-22 is what the coaches are using for film study and gameplanning, so I feel judging performance with anything less than that is premature at best

They usually go over the All-22 tape when it comes out, and adjust the gradings where necessary.

On the first part, when I say proper context, I mean in the sense in how a player performs vs team/schedule/players on own team. I still don't understand why dudes comment on their system without reading up on how they grade players in the first place. They're not trying to deceive or mislead - there's no gray area that's explored (*no measuring of intangibles or before the play gets underway); that forces the equation to change on every single snap of every single game.

 

[FSP]

On the first part, when I say proper context, I mean in the sense in how they measure a player's performance vs team/schedule/players on own team. I still don't understand why dudes comment on their system without reading up on how they grade players in the first place. They're not trying to deceive or mislead - there's no gray area that's explored (*no measuring of intangibles or before the play gets underway); that forces the equation to change on every single snap of every single game.

if. if if if if holy shyt I said if it's like you nikkas just skip over that word or something.

No I'm not reading up on their complex ass for nothing grading scale. I'd rather someone just explain it to me, because we've already established it means jack shyt in the scope of things when you get it done with 5 td's and 0 interceptions earns you a "average" but I'll let ya'll soak

 

[Joe Sixpack]

I hate these nerd ass nikkas

 

[Wiirdo]

Even they have their biases. Evan Mathis being the GOAT cos he gave their site some play being one example.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

if. if if if if holy shyt I said if it's like you nikkas just skip over that word or something.

Did you pay attention to what I reiterated?

No I'm not reading up on their complex ass for nothing grading scale. I'd rather someone just explain it to me, because we've already established it means jack shyt in the scope of things when you get it done with 5 td's and 0 interceptions earns you a "average" but I'll let ya'll soak

PFF is anything but complex. It's an "average" grade because it grades on what happens during the play. You out here picking at my reading comprehension, yet you haven't even cleaned up shyt on your own end.

 

[FSP]

Did you pay attention to what I reiterated?

PFF is anything but complex. It's an "average" grade because it grades on what happens during the play. You out here picking at my reading comprehension, yet you haven't even cleaned up shyt on your own end.

They're grading system has to be somewhat complex and proprietary especially since they are trying to get people to pay their subscription service. Do you know how they grade? Nobody I've ever seen on the internet knows exactly how they grade the players, if they did, there would be nothing to pay for.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I feel like their meaning of "context" is shoddy at best, because they factor out things that are totally important to football, like opportunity, risk management. PFF is basically what you should pay attention to if football weren't about winning and they were all just playing to make an A on the test with no invested interest in anything else

That's because with the way their system works - it's IMPOSSIBLE to grade those in equal measure on every snap. It simply can't be done. If they did attempt to do so - the equation/scale would forever keep changing. It'd be like a football spigot algorithm.

They're grading system has to be somewhat complex and proprietary especially since they are trying to get people to pay their subscription service. Do you know how they grade? Nobody I've ever seen on the internet knows exactly how they grade the players, if they did, there would be nothing to pay for.

How We Grade | ProFootballFocus.com - the gist of it.

You don't just 'pay for player grades' -

For quarterbacks, for example, they offer the following:

1. QB Rating: an adjusted NFL QB rating which accounts for dropped passes, spikes, balls thrown away, and yards through the air with some other adjustments.
2. Accuracy %: easily calculated elsewhere, but the formula for this is ((Completions + Drops) / (Attempts - Throw Aways - Spikes - Batted Passes - Hit As Thrown)) to give an idea of how accurate a quarterback actually is without outside forces.
3. Deep Passing: provides stats specific to passes 20+ yards in the air, including TDs, INTs, Acc. %, drops, and attempt %.
4. Quarterback Passing Under Pressure: shows a number of stats when the quarterback throws under pressure including a breakdown of the type of pressure, pressures as a percentage of dropbacks, sack %, completion percentage, and acc. %.
5. Play Action: provides passing stats for play action plays side-by-side with non-play action plays including the difference in completion percentage and YPA.
6. Time in Pocket: provides average time until sack/attempt/scramble as well as the difference in passing statistics when the time to throw (average of time to attempt/sack/scramble) is above and below 2.5 seconds.

Hell, if you examine individual player profiles, they'll even give you breakdowns on passing to different parts of the field.

That's just for quarterbacks. They have other useful statistics such as elusive ratings and breakaway percentages for running backs; deep passing, slot performance, and yards per route run for wide receivers; pass blocking efficiency for offensive lineman; run stop % and pass rushing productivity for defensive linemen; and many others. There's a wealth of information beyond their initial grading that really makes the extra money worth it. The grades themselves are a very small part (but the most easily marketable) of the information that they keep.

 

[The_Sheff]

They admit they can't take into account intangibles when really that's what makes Rodgers so great. If you can't assign points for proper pre-snap reads, extending plays with maneuverability, and accurate throws on the run then you aren't capturing what makes him the best qb in the league.

 

[FSP]

How We Grade | ProFootballFocus.com - the gist of it.

You don't just 'pay for player grades' -

So you're saying that's not complex at all

 

[Monster]

maybe he knows randall cobb has a good ability to run it in, if he gets him that close. that doesn't show up in the stats though