Why are predominately black countries mostly poor? in your opinion

[theworldismine13]

Industrial policies definitely helped East Asian countries, they were even called crony capitalism in the Western countries and considered the reason the Korean economy along with other Asian economies collapsed in 97/98. Japan had the institutional memory and capability to develop after war because prior to the war they were in a better condition ,comparatively speaking, than African countries at Independence. Many African countries at Independence were only starting to develop a sense of nationhood because they had organized themselves as Kikuyu,Shona,Xhosa,Bakongo longer than they had been Kenyan,Zimbabwean, South African etc. In fact outside of settler colonies of Kenya,Zimbabwe,Algeria,SA, and Angola/Mozambique most African countries were bequeathed virtual shells of nations and had to start from scratch. The infrastructure in the settler colonies was well developed to serve European populations and the non-settler colonies were either sources of labor or had minimal infrastructure designed to ship commodities to the "mother nation". We cannot ignore the initial starting conditions because all prescriptions i am reading are based on countries that had different experiences. Countries like Malawi ,Burkina Faso were set up by the Europeans to provide labor to bigger countries like Ivory Coast, Zimbabwe/SA respectively. It is rather simplistic to just drop capitalism where the infrastructure is threadbare and the skills are relatively sparse and the governing institutions are only starting up without much support from outside after a major world war.

that is why i didnt say capitalism i said literacy and capitalism, i agree 100 percent that you cant simply drop capitalism, like i said capitalism requires (for example) participants to agree that if I take a piece of paper and scribble on it, that is money that you can deposit in bank, a simple transaction like accepting and depositing a check in a bank requires extensive infrastructure and a literate population

i think it was congo, i forget, but i was reading that in this african country after independence, there was less than 12 people with university degrees in the whole country, you cant develop a country like that until you address literacy

countries like korea and japan were mostly literate and capitalistic

i dont really have an opinion on industrial policy because that can mean many different things, but if you dont have a literate population and capitalistic foundations, industrial policy wont work

 

[Chris.B]

Industrial policies definitely helped East Asian countries, they were even called crony capitalism in the Western countries and considered the reason the Korean economy along with other Asian economies collapsed in 97/98. Japan had the institutional memory and capability to develop after war because prior to the war they were in a better condition ,comparatively speaking, than African countries at Independence. Many African countries at Independence were only starting to develop a sense of nationhood because they had organized themselves as Kikuyu,Shona,Xhosa,Bakongo longer than they had been Kenyan,Zimbabwean, South African etc. In fact outside of settler colonies of Kenya,Zimbabwe,Algeria,SA, and Angola/Mozambique most African countries were bequeathed virtual shells of nations and had to start from scratch. The infrastructure in the settler colonies was well developed to serve European populations and the non-settler colonies were either sources of labor or had minimal infrastructure designed to ship commodities to the "mother nation". We cannot ignore the initial starting conditions because all prescriptions i am reading are based on countries that had different experiences. Countries like Malawi ,Burkina Faso were set up by the Europeans to provide labor to bigger countries like Ivory Coast, Zimbabwe/SA respectively. It is rather simplistic to just drop capitalism where the infrastructure is threadbare and the skills are relatively sparse and the governing institutions are only starting up without much support from outside after a major world war.

Where does the free foreign AID money go to?
Do you know how much money Europeans have shipped to African in Foreign AID?

How the fukk does one leader have over a billion dollar in assets in a continent where most people live under a dollar a day?

Colonization may have been a valid argument in 1960 in 2014 it's just a cheap excuse.
I personally know a Ghanaian cabinet minister who is a very good friend of my father.

He came to the US and bought a Lexus RX350 band new with 40K CASH and used 3K to ship it back.

Did I mention to you most Africans live under a dollar a day?

 

[Poitier]

Japan had the institutional memory and capability to develop after war because prior to the war they were in a better condition ,comparatively speaking, than African countries at Independence. Many African countries at Independence were only starting to develop a sense of nationhood because they had organized themselves as Kikuyu,Shona,Xhosa,Bakongo longer than they had been Kenyan,Zimbabwean, South African etc. In fact outside of settler colonies of Kenya,Zimbabwe,Algeria,SA, and Angola/Mozambique most African countries were bequeathed virtual shells of nations and had to start from scratch. We cannot ignore the initial starting conditions because all prescriptions i am reading are based on countries that had different experiences.

Notice how dude skipped all this

 

[ejthompson23]

nikka take yo ugly ass on somewhere..

spreading that pseudo intellectual bullshyt..

smurf onion nose lookin ass nikka..

and @Poitier and @KOohbt is killing yall phaggys..

A man commenting on another man's looks...now I seen everything...and fukk you by the way...

 

[ejthompson23]

Yeah but I've been trying to explain the reasons for that, and it's the same reasons why black people are poor all over the world

Black people all over the world have the same basic problems so I don't think black people can seperate ourselves from africa

It's a shame...I cnt find nothing worthwhile bout Africa...we blacks rather be slaves in the white man's countries instead of going back to the "motherland"...shyt Greece got 50% unemployment yet African migrants risking life and limbs to get there...that just show you how bad Africa is doing...

 

[TTT]

that is why i didnt say capitalism i said literacy and capitalism, i agree 100 percent that you cant simply drop capitalism, like i said capitalism requires (for example) participants to agree that if I take a piece of paper and scribble on it, that is money that you can deposit in bank, a simple transaction like accepting and depositing a check in a bank requires extensive infrastructure and a literate population

i think it was congo, i forget, but i was reading that in this african country after independence, there was less than 12 people with university degrees in the whole country, you cant develop a country like that until you address literacy

countries like korea and japan were mostly literate and capitalistic

i dont really have an opinion on industrial policy because that can mean many different things, but if you dont have a literate population and capitalistic foundations, industrial policy wont work

The existence of a monetary system has taken different forms in the past, its not like a cash economy did not exist in these countries pre-independence or even some form of payments in the form of wheat or cattle. Some rulers even exacted taxes in various forms before colonization. Japan had zaibatsu corporations like Mitsubishi, Simutumo that are as old as the Dutch East India Company. These corporations were well established and later on became a cornerstone for learning and importing foreign technologies. The most important learning is actually through the adoption of technology and its disbursement through a company to company basis. The institutions in Japan whether political ,economic or from a business standpoint made it easier for them to develop.

 

[theworldismine13]

It's a shame...I cnt find nothing worthwhile bout Africa...we blacks rather be slaves in the white man's countries instead of going back to the "motherland"...shyt Greece got 50% unemployment yet African migrants risking life and limbs to get there...that just show you how bad Africa is doing...

you could have said the same thing about northern europe 1000 years ago

i actually think a lot of african countries are starting to look impressive and are moving toward capitalism, they need to double down on it

 

[Strapped]

Hati fought for independence from the enslavers French. Hati had to pay reparations to French along with trade embargoes, importation taxes etc...

Africa was raped exploited and systems inserted that wipes out the resources and put the countries in debt with country trained dictators.

preach on

 

[TTT]

Where does the free foreign AID money go to?
Do you know how much money Europeans have shipped to African in Foreign AID?

How the fukk does one leader have over a billion dollar in assets in a continent where most people live under a dollar a day?

Colonization may have been a valid argument in 1960 in 2014 it's just a cheap excuse.
I personally know a Ghanaian cabinet minister who is a very good friend of my father.

He came to the US and bought a Lexus RX350 band new with 40K CASH and used 3K to ship it back.

Did I mention to you most Africans live under a dollar a day?

Foreign aid is not going to develop anything, giving Governments money to finance their day to day operations is not going to improve an economy. Countries that have improved over time did not do so because they put foreign aid to use. A lot of it is for humanitarian reasons anyway because Westerners decided after some time that things such as dam building infrastructure development harm the environment and so they would start funding low level interventions. Foreign aid is not uniform too because it encompasses a whole variety of interventions from economic, budgetary support, military equipment, and food aid. Even if none of it was stolen it is still poorly targeted and could not be seen as a solution to economic development.

 

[Poitier]

Northern Europe has a common identity and homogenous population

And investment in public goods/ social infrastructure and socializing certain sectors has done more for them than just capitalism

 

[Tommy Knocks]

The Asians have Japan, South Korea and Singapore. .

when were these countries colonized and suppressed by the west?
Japan and Korea have never been colonized.

Singapore was but it was only under rule for like 60 years before the japanese came in and swooped that up.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Northern Europe has a common identity and homogenous population

And investment in public goods/ social infrastructure and socializing certain sectors has done more for them than just capitalism

Not just that, but they actually get their worth in resources. Norway charges an arm and leg for oil and fish, and the west simply accepts it because thats their brother. Imagine if Congo tried to charge how much cobalt really is, or diamonds? they'd flood the village with guns and have them kill each other while they steal it all. 2 different peoples treated 2 different ways. and its quite unfair and very racist.

then they have the nerve to cry when the people follow the riches. you don't want immigration, stop fukking over the countries you're getting rich off of. everyone can eat, then people wont flood your borders and snatch your women.

 

[Leasy]

Compared to the Arab and Europeans, Africa only been down for about 2 or 3 centuries compared to thousand upon thousands in Europe and the fake ass Middle East.

The African continent will rule again once this nut ass economy banking leaching ass system collapses.

 

[Kritic]

Where does the free foreign AID money go to?
Do you know how much money Europeans have shipped to African in Foreign AID?

How the fukk does one leader have over a billion dollar in assets in a continent where most people live under a dollar a day?

Colonization may have been a valid argument in 1960 in 2014 it's just a cheap excuse.
I personally know a Ghanaian cabinet minister who is a very good friend of my father.

He came to the US and bought a Lexus RX350 band new with 40K CASH and used 3K to ship it back.

Did I mention to you most Africans live under a dollar a day?

i haven't even read the thread. only caught this post to see where the thread has gone.

to answer OP this is classic post why black countries are backward.

if you take a look at a country like zambia, the country is resourceful but being raped by western corporations. they receive aid but it's nothing compared to what is going out. they then pay off leaders with a few million dollars for them to flash and look like they are the problem. shyt. he could've even gotten the lexus as a "gift" for the tax breaks he gave the corporations.

the african ppl don't know the details of the deals their leaders and govt make.

obviously african leaders aren't so bright and part of the major problem why their countries are backward. but the western govt interferes with their elections to make sure the puppet and corrupt politicians are put or kept in power for the west's own interest.

congo which is the richest country in africa is kept unstable under civil war and that's fine as long as their resources can be bought off rebels for cheap. unfortunately, this is where nigeria is headed. (and i suspect the nigerian president sold them out for his own interests).
the west[ern corporations] know how to exploit tribal and religious (shia sunni christian muslim etc) differences to their advantage and the foreign countrys own demise.

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if we bring it back here... black ppl are so caught up in their differences and are exploited to their own demise too.

 

[Kritic]

also the corrupt leaders steal hundreds of millions of dollars only for them to be frozen by european banks. and the african countries will never get them back.

once the leaders are ousted, they're just happy they're gone forgetting about the money. they can never trace the money and the euro banks be like what money