Why are predominately black countries mostly poor? in your opinion

[theworldismine13]

Can someone explain to me what Marxism is in simple terms?
I know what social and communism is though

marxism suggest the government should control the means of production

communism is marxism taken to an extreme, socialism is a milder form of marxism

 

[Dion Isus]

Can someone explain to me what Marxism is in simple terms?
I know what social and communism is though

Marxism was pretty much the dominant form of Communism in the 20th Century. Its pretty much synonymous with it

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Communism

 

[theworldismine13]

Institutions go beyond financial networks

whats your point?

africa 500 years ago africa had neither strong instutions and no financial network, that is why they fell to the european, weak institutions was a problem before the european

your original post was not this nuanced and did not have any qualifiers

i made many posts, but why would i say something like "africans had NO contact with each other"

of course there was contact here and there, but there was not any signifcant contact or trade amongst africans across the regions of africa, a problem that still exists today, african countries till this day trade more between china, us and europe then they do amongst themsleves

there has never been a pan african trading network, ever

you bringing up some bullshyt about mali and axum is laughable

we are talking about Haiti, not Africa

we never talked about haiti, primordial brought up haiti and i said that haiti had weak leaderrs post toussaint, and because haiti is an illiterate society their pool of leaders has always been weak

but my crtiticism of haitian leaders is similar to my criticism of african leaders which you refer to as moral and intelligent

 

[Dion Isus]

I already talked about remittances as GDP AND intra African trade

and dude, East Africa is ahead of the whole world...South and West Africa isn't Kenya and Tanzania but still ahead of the curve

Once again, let's go back to an earlier statement:

Does it now make sense why mobile money is rapidly expanding across the continent and why many loath banks?

How does something thats only really used in former British East Africa = rapidly expanding across the continent?

Nothing Marxist was ever posted by me

Why did you bring up the Nordic countries when I mentioned Marxism?

Its bad which is why I support the Nigerian national ID

I think Bitcoin will have a larger there than the National ID debit card will

 

[Poitier]

whats your point?

africa 500 years ago africa had neither strong instutions and no financial network, that is why they fell to the european, weak institutions was a problem before the european

in 1400/1500....neither did anyone else

i made many posts, but why would i say something like "africans had NO contact with each other"

of course there was contact here and there, but there was not any signifcant contact or trade amongst africans across the regions of africa, a problem that still exists today, african countries till this day trade more between china, us and europe then they do amongst themsleves
there has never been a pan african trading network, ever

you bringing up some bullshyt about mali and axum is laughable[/QUOTE]

so once again, you change your post and add even more qualifiers

we never talked about haiti, primordial brought up haiti and i said that haiti had weak leaderrs post toussaint, and because haiti is an illiterate society their pool of leaders has always been weak

but my crtiticism of haitian leaders is similar to my criticism of african leaders which you refer to as moral and intelligent

There are no comparisons with pre colonial Africa and post colonial Haiti

Haiti has weak leaders because lack of identity and institutions, not "illiteracy"

 

[Poitier]

Once again, let's go back to an earlier statement:



How does something thats only really used in former British East Africa = rapidly expanding across the continent?

Because it isn't only used in East Africa?

Why did you bring up the Nordic countries when I mentioned Marxism?

Why did you bring up Marxism when I mentioned social capitalism

I think Bitcoin will have a larger there than the National ID debit card will

I was referring to getting people in the financial system

 

[theworldismine13]

I just dont see the relevance of that question tbh, we are organized around these nation states and current wealth or lack thereof can be directly traced to how countries are organized in contemporary times. The fact that Argentina was one of the richest countries around 1900 means little or has minimal bearing on how the countries look like today. I dont find the question of why 19th century Africans who were at a great disadvantage to Europeans in a number of areas to be relevant at a time when such gaps need not exist. The ability of countries to leapfrog certain stages of development in the modern era renders that question not relevant to our times, countries like Malaysia and South Korea developed at a fast pace and while they may be aggrieved about the Japanese it does not impede their development. The high growth era of east Asian countries was a little more than 2 decades at best, technology improvements mean that people transfer money using mobile devices in rural Kenya without even seeing the inside of a bank. The entire mobile phone industry in Africa was like that as well, some people who had never used a landline just leapfrogged the process to mobile phones. The historical account of colonialism is of importance from a history perspective but what it teaches us in a completely new world political order i am not so sure about especially with regards to economic development. I would rather look at the outcome of that colonization instead of the reasons it took place as more instructive for us today.

i dont agree, i think the source of the problems in africa and with black people being poor can be traced directly to issues in pre colonial africa

if we address the issue of why africa fell, a lot of these modern problems will be better addressed

 

[theworldismine13]

in 1400/1500....neither did anyone elsr

in the 1400's europe had extensive financial networks and very strong institutions

so once again, you change your post and add even more qualifiers

ive been saying the same thing, what happened is that you added a qualifer before, for some reason you thought i was saying that there was NO contact, i never said that there was NO contact

adding qualifiers is something that have hvae been doing this entire thread

There are no comparisons with pre colonial Africa and post colonial Haiti

Haiti has weak leaders because lack of identity and institutions, not "illiteracy"

identity issues and weak instutuions came about becuase of lack literacy, to build strong institutions you need a literate society[/quote]

 

[Dion Isus]

Because it isn't only used in East Africa?

Again, what has the penetration been outside of those areas? In partular in the ECOWAS and SADC economies?

Why did you bring up Marxism when I mentioned social capitalism

Dude you seem confused. My cultural/economic marxism post was in reply to you talking about "Blacks who want real change." And then you bring up Nordic countries like you're trying to refute my point.

I was referring to getting people in the financial system

Ok. And I'm restating that Bitcoin will have a huge impact on how transactions are done in Nigeria, and Africa as a whole.

 

[Kritic]

Rosewood & Tulsa: Tragedies, no doubt. But what about the other majority black economic hubs? What about Jackson Ward? Parrish Street? Georgetown?

HBCUs: Weren't most of them either built by whites (UMES, Howard, etc) or strongly supported by them? Tuskegee? And wasn't their decline largely because of desegregation?

Reconstruction: The 1877 Compromise had alot to do with the aftermath of that. But what about Booker T?

Garveyism: Lots of issues there, one of them being that Garvey surrounded himself with way too many "yes men." Also lets not forget about the fact that people like DuBois and the NAACP sabotaged him.

Gaddafi: A demagogue who helped train and arm thugs like Charles Taylor and Sankoh Forday who destroyed Liberia and Sierra Leone. Also was friends with Idi Amin and Mengistu of Ethiopia. Very happy he's dead

Sankara: A good natured man who had some right ideas. Was killed by a student of Gaddafi.

Nkrumah: A good independence leader, not so good head of state. Essentially made himself president for life, created a one party state in Ghana and threw people in jail who didn't agree with him.

Lumumba: Not a good leader at all. Only really known for making speeches and embezzling money. Got himself killed after he raised all government salaries except for the military. Not a skilled strategist and talked way too much. Also not really a Communist even though he's somehow become a symbol for them

dude. shut the fucc up lol






























....NEGGED

 

[Kritic]

gdamn it. i wish i would talk face to face with you niccas. this online shyt don't work.

 

[Poitier]

in the 1400's europe had extensive financial networks and very strong institutions

list them

ive been saying the same thing, what happened is that you added a qualifer before, for some reason you thought i was saying that there was NO contact, i never said that there was NO contact

adding qualifiers is something that have hvae been doing this entire thread

identity issues and weak instutuions came about becuase of lack literacy, to build strong institutions you need a literate society

people don't learn to read and write out of thin air

 

[Poitier]

Again, what has the penetration been outside of those areas? In partular in the ECOWAS and SADC economies?

More than the rest of the world

Dude you seem confused. My cultural/economic marxism post was in reply to you talking about "Blacks who want real change." And then you bring up Nordic countries like you're trying to refute my point.

And my point was that you making that reply, which is false, started all the Marxist buzzword post

Ok. And I'm restating that Bitcoin will have a huge impact on how transactions are done in Nigeria, and Africa as a whole.

And I'm asking you why you are bringing that up when the topic was "Africans without banking accounts"

 

[Dion Isus]

dude. shut the fucc up lol

....NEGGED

Hey here's a good idea! How about you counter the points that I raised about each event/location/individual?

 

[Kritic]

i need the hyenas to handle this dude for being blasphemous..