Why are some of you more upset at Progressive Dems than the GOP?
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Mission249
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I wonder if back in the day it went down like this.
Faction 1: "Let's go with ... 'Pro-Choice'"
Faction 2: "fukk that. We PRO ABORTION. And if you don't agree then you hate women. fukk you
Faction 1: "Let's go with ... 'Pro-Choice'"
Faction 2: "fukk that. We PRO ABORTION. And if you don't agree then you hate women. fukk you
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but it isntThis thread already did half the numbers of the official AOC thread that's 2 years old.
Can't even pretend the thread title is not true at this point.
im like the farthest right poster in here, and im a moderate democrat
arent we all on the same page that the republican party is human garbage
Nah: probably more like:I wonder if back in the day it went down like this.
Faction 1: "Let's go with ... 'Pro-Choice'"
Faction 2: "fukk that. We PRO ABORTION. And if you don't agree then you hate women. fukk you
Faction 1: "I think we should say "end segregation."
Faction 2: "I think that's too *divisive* - what if we just say 'school equality' instead - I'm sure by the 1990s there will be no way for this empty phrasing to be turned into a cudgel to increase economic segregation."
Mission249
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That's a bad analogy because "end segregation" and "school equality" are wildly different things (and, ironically, "school equality" still actually needs to happen but that's another convo).
Access to abortions and being pro-choice are not wildly different things. One entails the other. So - as has been repeated in this thread a couple hundred times - many of us are talking about marketing and branding not necessarily changing the policy. I'm actually for defunding the police (and a lot of AOC's other policies). What I'm not for is liberals constantly losing because they'd rather virtue signal and hype up Twitter and Coli-type people than actually win majorities and enforce their will. But I'm starting to believe that's just the nature of the "big tent" democratic party.
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This 11-like tweet by an unverified twitter user with 9,000 followers? This is the "goofy shyt" you're upset about?
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https://nypost.com/2020/12/05/democrats-should-dump-defund-the-police-slogan-poll-finds/
Democrats should dump ‘defund the police’ slogan, new poll finds
By Jon Levine
December 5, 2020 | 9:22am | Updated
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A protester holds up a homemade sign that says "Defund the Police" in NYC in June.Ira L. Black/Corbis via Getty Images
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Democrats should stop pressing “defund the police” and other hot-button social issues if they want to stay competitive in 2022, according to new research from longtime Democratic pollster Douglas Schoen.
“The data says to me that if the Democrats go the progressive route they can lose the House and the Senate overwhelmingly in 2022,” Schoen told The Post. “The incoming Biden administration has to understand that unless they take a moderate path, that is a likely potential outcome for the Democrats.”
Schoen is a longtime pollster for Mike Bloomberg, who worked on the billionaire’s fly-by-night presidential campaign. His firm, Schoen Cooperman Research, spoke to 1,000 respondents in a post-election poll between Nov. 8 and 9.
When asked whether Joe Biden’s victory was a “mandate for centrist policies” or a “mandate for progressive policies,” 62% of respondents said centrist, compared to just 28% for progressive.
The survey also found that the party was hurt in down-ballot races by the “defund the police” movement championed by progressives. A total of 35% of voters said the issue made them “less likely to vote for Democrats,” while just 23% said it made them more likely.
The poll reconfirmed longstanding trends showing self-identified conservatives outnumbering self-described liberals 37% to 24% (36% said they were “moderate”).
“The hardcore activists, they like AOC. The rest of the country outside of hardcore party activists are not so keen on AOC or her agenda,” Schoen said of Bronx/Queens Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “The question for the Democrats is how to keep the progressives on the reservation without fracturing the party.”
Roughly seven out of 10 respondents agreed with statements urging moderation from centrist Democrats like former Sen. Claire McCaskill and Rep. Abigail Spanberger. The latter laced into her Democratic colleagues during a 2020 election post-mortem.
“We need to not ever use the words ‘socialist’ or ‘socialism’ ever again,” she told them.
The results track closely to President Obama, who warned this week that “snappy” progressive slogans were a road to perdition.
“I guess you can use a snappy slogan, like Defund the Police, but, you know, you lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you’re actually going to get the changes you want done,” he said during an interview on the Snapchat political show “Good Luck America.”
Democrats should dump ‘defund the police’ slogan, new poll finds
By Jon Levine
December 5, 2020 | 9:22am | Updated
Enlarge Image
A protester holds up a homemade sign that says "Defund the Police" in NYC in June.Ira L. Black/Corbis via Getty Images
MORE ON:
DEMOCRATS
Hakeem Jeffries confident Pelosi will remain House speaker
Extremist epidemiologists and other commentary
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Post-Trump, populists still have a big future in the GOP
Democrats should stop pressing “defund the police” and other hot-button social issues if they want to stay competitive in 2022, according to new research from longtime Democratic pollster Douglas Schoen.
“The data says to me that if the Democrats go the progressive route they can lose the House and the Senate overwhelmingly in 2022,” Schoen told The Post. “The incoming Biden administration has to understand that unless they take a moderate path, that is a likely potential outcome for the Democrats.”
Schoen is a longtime pollster for Mike Bloomberg, who worked on the billionaire’s fly-by-night presidential campaign. His firm, Schoen Cooperman Research, spoke to 1,000 respondents in a post-election poll between Nov. 8 and 9.
When asked whether Joe Biden’s victory was a “mandate for centrist policies” or a “mandate for progressive policies,” 62% of respondents said centrist, compared to just 28% for progressive.
The survey also found that the party was hurt in down-ballot races by the “defund the police” movement championed by progressives. A total of 35% of voters said the issue made them “less likely to vote for Democrats,” while just 23% said it made them more likely.
The poll reconfirmed longstanding trends showing self-identified conservatives outnumbering self-described liberals 37% to 24% (36% said they were “moderate”).
“The hardcore activists, they like AOC. The rest of the country outside of hardcore party activists are not so keen on AOC or her agenda,” Schoen said of Bronx/Queens Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “The question for the Democrats is how to keep the progressives on the reservation without fracturing the party.”
Roughly seven out of 10 respondents agreed with statements urging moderation from centrist Democrats like former Sen. Claire McCaskill and Rep. Abigail Spanberger. The latter laced into her Democratic colleagues during a 2020 election post-mortem.
“We need to not ever use the words ‘socialist’ or ‘socialism’ ever again,” she told them.
The results track closely to President Obama, who warned this week that “snappy” progressive slogans were a road to perdition.
“I guess you can use a snappy slogan, like Defund the Police, but, you know, you lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you’re actually going to get the changes you want done,” he said during an interview on the Snapchat political show “Good Luck America.”
He might have a point
Biden warns ‘defund the police’ slogan could hurt Democrats in Georgia runoffs.
Biden warns ‘defund the police’ slogan could hurt Democrats in Georgia runoffs.
President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. will travel to Georgia next week to campaign for two Democratic Senate candidates.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times
President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. this week urged a group of civil rights activists to remain quiet about plans to overhaul policing until after two Senate runoff elections in Georgia next month, saying that Republicans would try to distort their position on the issue to win those races.
“That’s how they beat the living hell out of us across the country, saying that we’re talking about defunding the police,” Mr. Biden told the Black representatives of several interest groups, according to audio of the meeting obtained by The Intercept. “We’re not. We’re talking about holding them accountable.”
Mr. Biden made the comments as he prepares to travel to Georgia next week to campaign for Jon Ossoff and the Rev. Raphael Warnock, the two Democrats who would give Mr. Biden’s party a slim majority in the Senate if they won the Jan. 5 runoffs.
The remarks came during a sometimes contentious, closed-door session on Tuesday in which the civil right leaders pressed Mr. Biden to pick more Black nominees for his cabinet and for other top White House posts.
On the issue of policing reform — a subject about which many groups had been wary of Mr. Biden given his history of pushing for tough criminal justice laws when he was a senator — the president-elect suggested that the activists tread carefully.
“I also don’t think we should get too far ahead of ourselves on dealing with police reform in that, because they’ve already labeled us as being ‘defund the police,’” he said. “Anything we put forward in terms of the organizational structure to change policing — which I promise you, will occur. Promise you. Just think to yourself and give me advice whether we should do that before Jan. 5.”
An official for Mr. Biden’s transition, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations with the president-elect, downplayed the significance of the conversation.
“President-elect Biden is the same person behind closed doors that he is public; honest, direct and realistic about the challenges facing our nation the day he is sworn in,” the official said. “As he made clear throughout the campaign, he believes in supporting bold and urgent reform to our criminal justice system while continuing to support law enforcement’s mission to keep our communities safe.”
Mr. Biden’s warnings on the “defund” slogan echo those of other Democrats, including former President Barack Obama.
On an episode of the Snapchat show “Good Luck America” this month, Mr. Obama said, “If you believe, as I do, that we should be able to reform the criminal justice system so that it’s not biased and treats everybody fairly, I guess you can use a snappy slogan, like ‘defund the police’.”
“But, you know, you lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you’re actually going to get the changes you want done,” he added.
During the meeting Thursday, Mr. Biden also defended his choice of Tom Vilsack, a white man, to run the Department of Agriculture, despite the pressure from several of the civil rights groups to nominate Representative Marcia Fudge of Ohio, who is Black. Mr. Biden nominated Ms. Fudge to run the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
Derrick Johnson, the president of the N.A.A.C.P., told Mr. Biden that nominating Mr. Vilsack “could have a disastrous impact on voters in Georgia” because of an incident in which Mr. Vilsack fired a popular Black employee when he served as the department’s secretary during the Obama administration.
Mr. Biden dismissed the concerns and said people would soon hear more about Mr. Vilsack’s record.
— Michael D. Shear
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He might have a point
Biden warns ‘defund the police’ slogan could hurt Democrats in Georgia runoffs.
Biden warns ‘defund the police’ slogan could hurt Democrats in Georgia runoffs.
President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. will travel to Georgia next week to campaign for two Democratic Senate candidates.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times
President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. this week urged a group of civil rights activists to remain quiet about plans to overhaul policing until after two Senate runoff elections in Georgia next month, saying that Republicans would try to distort their position on the issue to win those races.
“That’s how they beat the living hell out of us across the country, saying that we’re talking about defunding the police,” Mr. Biden told the Black representatives of several interest groups, according to audio of the meeting obtained by The Intercept. “We’re not. We’re talking about holding them accountable.”
Mr. Biden made the comments as he prepares to travel to Georgia next week to campaign for Jon Ossoff and the Rev. Raphael Warnock, the two Democrats who would give Mr. Biden’s party a slim majority in the Senate if they won the Jan. 5 runoffs.
The remarks came during a sometimes contentious, closed-door session on Tuesday in which the civil right leaders pressed Mr. Biden to pick more Black nominees for his cabinet and for other top White House posts.
On the issue of policing reform — a subject about which many groups had been wary of Mr. Biden given his history of pushing for tough criminal justice laws when he was a senator — the president-elect suggested that the activists tread carefully.
“I also don’t think we should get too far ahead of ourselves on dealing with police reform in that, because they’ve already labeled us as being ‘defund the police,’” he said. “Anything we put forward in terms of the organizational structure to change policing — which I promise you, will occur. Promise you. Just think to yourself and give me advice whether we should do that before Jan. 5.”
An official for Mr. Biden’s transition, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations with the president-elect, downplayed the significance of the conversation.
“President-elect Biden is the same person behind closed doors that he is public; honest, direct and realistic about the challenges facing our nation the day he is sworn in,” the official said. “As he made clear throughout the campaign, he believes in supporting bold and urgent reform to our criminal justice system while continuing to support law enforcement’s mission to keep our communities safe.”
Mr. Biden’s warnings on the “defund” slogan echo those of other Democrats, including former President Barack Obama.
On an episode of the Snapchat show “Good Luck America” this month, Mr. Obama said, “If you believe, as I do, that we should be able to reform the criminal justice system so that it’s not biased and treats everybody fairly, I guess you can use a snappy slogan, like ‘defund the police’.”
“But, you know, you lost a big audience the minute you say it, which makes it a lot less likely that you’re actually going to get the changes you want done,” he added.
During the meeting Thursday, Mr. Biden also defended his choice of Tom Vilsack, a white man, to run the Department of Agriculture, despite the pressure from several of the civil rights groups to nominate Representative Marcia Fudge of Ohio, who is Black. Mr. Biden nominated Ms. Fudge to run the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
Derrick Johnson, the president of the N.A.A.C.P., told Mr. Biden that nominating Mr. Vilsack “could have a disastrous impact on voters in Georgia” because of an incident in which Mr. Vilsack fired a popular Black employee when he served as the department’s secretary during the Obama administration.
Mr. Biden dismissed the concerns and said people would soon hear more about Mr. Vilsack’s record.
— Michael D. Shear
