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Why are some of you more upset at Progressive Dems than the GOP?
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telling claire mccaskill about how to win in missouri from her fukking safe space of a district in new york
AOC wouldnt get elected dog catcher in missouri
Well for one, you don't take advice from a loser which claire mccaskill is no matter how anyone spins it, she's not qualified to criticise AOC on strategy when she couldn't even retain her own seat
for background this is what started it with claire taking the first shot at AOC
secondly mccaskill ran a pro maga/republicasn lite campaign and the voters in missouri said "why vote for a maga wannabe when I could just vote for a real one
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BLM and the propagation of police brutality videos is definitely a twitter phenomenon that has real world implications
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Honestly it all boils down to how terrible cacs are. Everything wrong with this country is because of them.
Dude was giving up the game 
Jim Clyburn Does Not Care That You Think He’s Too Old
Jim Clyburn Does Not Care That You Think He’s Too Old
The 80-year-old majority whip does not feel out of touch, does not look at Twitter, and still doesn’t like the slogan “defund the police.”
Joel AndersonDec 18, 20208:00 AM
Excerpt:
Maybe you’ve seen this interview today: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told the Intercept that it’s time for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to go. There’s also been criticism of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and the so-called gerontocracy of Democrats. Obviously, you’re a veteran member of Congress yourself. What do you think of activists and younger political leaders who say that Democratic leadership is too old and out of touch?
Well, you know, I’ve heard that a whole lot. I don’t know how out of touch we are. I do know this: I’m pretty pleased with the vote I get every two years. I am pretty pleased with the support I get on both sides of the aisle, back in South Carolina.
I always say I was born and raised in the parsonage. And I have always believed, according to the Scriptures, it is not their words but their deeds, by which we know them. So I’ll just tell people, just look at my deeds. I’m not bothered to get into a battle of words with people.
I was talking to [recent South Carolina Senate candidate] Jaime Harrison last night. And Jaime Harrison says, “I don’t care what they say. I hope you aren’t planning to leave this place.” I’ve always told people I have three pretty intelligent daughters who are very politically active. I had a conversation with them a long time ago. I said, “Whenever you all think that it’s time for me to come home, let me know.” And that’s the way I feel about it. And when you start talking about age, I would answer that this way: Would you rather have a young Clarence Thomas or an old Thurgood Marshall?
Hmmm. OK.
Just think about that.
Yeah, that’s real.
That’s very real. So I would think that we need to be thinking about what people do, who they are, what they mean to the agenda. I can think of a lot of old people sitting on the Supreme Court. When we lost Ruth Bader Ginsburg, as old as she was … I’d much rather have her than the replacement that we just got. So if age is going to be your definition, then you all would be very pleased with the replacement we got for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaking in terms of youth: Do you spend much time on Twitter or social media? Do you pay much attention to the political conversations and debates on there?
Not at all. My daughters do, and grandchildren, but no, I don’t. I really don’t. They keep me posted on what people are saying about me, both the good and the bad, but I don’t do it.
I’ll tell you what I do. I give out, as I did last August, I gave out 175 scholarships to young people trying to get an education. And I’ve been doing that before I came to Congress. It has not always been 175, but I think that my youth movement is much more productive than most of the people who talk about it.
I don’t want to spend too much time relitigating the “defund the police” debate, but you said that the slogan was killing the party and cost the party seats during the election, particularly your friend, your mentee Jaime Harrison and outgoing South Carolina Rep. Joe Cunningham. What sort of evidence or data are you relying upon to claim that?
It’s kind of interesting. The pushback I’ve gotten for that from people.
You probably don’t remember this, but when John Lewis marched across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, it was in March 1965. He was beaten to near death.
Right.
Six months later, Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965. And everybody says it was because of what happened on that bridge, on what has become known as Bloody Sunday. But guess what? Less than 12 months after Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, they kicked John Lewis out of SNCC. And you know why they kicked him out? Because he refused to adopt the phrase “burn, baby, burn.” He would not let those words fall off his lips. And the guys kicked him out, dethroned him.
All I’m saying is, I was born and raised in South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. And everybody says it’s probably second only to Utah in its right-wing politics. There’s not a Black person elected statewide to anything in South Carolina. So, nobody in this Congress is more progressive than I am. Nobody. I just happen not to get a good feel for sloganeering. Sloganeering can kill you. And that’s all I’ve said, that that slogan is not beneficial.
I’m not against anything. I support it. But that doesn’t mean I have to accept the notion that a sound bite is not detrimental. You talk to any of these people who’ve run. Those people who keep telling me that I’m wrong are the same people that said I was wrong when I endorsed Joe Biden. But now they looked back and said, “Joe Biden was the only one who could have won.” Well, hell, I knew that before the fact. Why didn’t you? I endorsed him because I felt he was the only one who could win. And my wife said to me, six months before she passed away, she said to me, “Joe Biden is our best bet to defeat Donald Trump.” Well, I was wrong when I said that a year ago. So why am I right today? Come on, man.
What you’re saying is that this is more of a feel issue than a data or a polling issue. That, in your experience, you feel that the slogan of “defund the police” is more ineffective than the aims of it are. Is that a fair reading of what you said?
I said I would much prefer reimagined policing as being a rallying cry than “defund the police.” Because “defund the police,” people use that against us. I’ve seen an ad this past week. They’re running that with [Georgia Democratic Senate candidates] Warnock and Ossoff. They’ve got their two pictures up on TV right now. And right across their heads: “They want to defund the police.” They aren’t doing that unless it was poll-tested. They know darn well that that is effective. They don’t want to defund the police. Come on. But [the Republicans] know it works.
Just talk to Jaime Harrison and ask him, did that slogan hurt him in the campaign when his picture was put up there? They had him sitting in the middle, Nancy Pelosi on one side and Chuck Schumer on the other side. And a big caption, “They want to defund the police.” That was all over South Carolina. And I could feel his campaign plateauing.
OK. Let me ask you this. You got your start in state politics in part because of police abuse, the Orangeburg massacre at your alma mater, South Carolina State, when highway patrolmen opened fire on hundreds of unarmed Black protesters, killing three of them. You’ve said that you can see a direct line from Orangeburg to today’s Black Lives Matter movement. Which is obviously just more evidence of the long-running institutional problem of racist police violence. So, was it a mistake for you to agitate potential voters and Democrats by drawing attention to police abuse back then? What’s the difference between then and now?
I’m saying don’t use slogans that destroy or undercut your efforts. That’s all I’m saying. I want to see every bad police officer off the police force. Some of them I want to see in jail. And they need to be in jail. There are a lot of bad police officers. But look, how many priests have been arrested for messing with little boys? We didn’t burn down the church and get rid of the chapel. We got rid of the priests. I have never seen the slogan “We need to abolish the priesthood.” Have you ever heard of anyone say that? How many Catholic priests have you seen arrested and making headlines for assaulting little boys?
Quite a few.
OK. That’s all I’m saying. Same thing. Get rid of the bad apples.
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What happened with the polio vaccine?
Well, see, remember you had two polio vaccines. One was a shot in the arm, and one was a drop of serum on a lump of sugar. So I’m going to ask you, which one would you rather have? The lump of sugar or the shot in your arm?
I have a sweet tooth. So …
OK, well, guess what happened? When they started distributing that vaccine, the shots went into the Black neighborhood, and the lump of sugar went into the white neighborhood.
Jim Clyburn Does Not Care That You Think He’s Too Old
Jim Clyburn Does Not Care That You Think He’s Too Old
The 80-year-old majority whip does not feel out of touch, does not look at Twitter, and still doesn’t like the slogan “defund the police.”
Joel AndersonDec 18, 20208:00 AM
Excerpt:
Maybe you’ve seen this interview today: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez told the Intercept that it’s time for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to go. There’s also been criticism of Sen. Dianne Feinstein and the so-called gerontocracy of Democrats. Obviously, you’re a veteran member of Congress yourself. What do you think of activists and younger political leaders who say that Democratic leadership is too old and out of touch?
Well, you know, I’ve heard that a whole lot. I don’t know how out of touch we are. I do know this: I’m pretty pleased with the vote I get every two years. I am pretty pleased with the support I get on both sides of the aisle, back in South Carolina.
I always say I was born and raised in the parsonage. And I have always believed, according to the Scriptures, it is not their words but their deeds, by which we know them. So I’ll just tell people, just look at my deeds. I’m not bothered to get into a battle of words with people.
I was talking to [recent South Carolina Senate candidate] Jaime Harrison last night. And Jaime Harrison says, “I don’t care what they say. I hope you aren’t planning to leave this place.” I’ve always told people I have three pretty intelligent daughters who are very politically active. I had a conversation with them a long time ago. I said, “Whenever you all think that it’s time for me to come home, let me know.” And that’s the way I feel about it. And when you start talking about age, I would answer that this way: Would you rather have a young Clarence Thomas or an old Thurgood Marshall?
Hmmm. OK.
Just think about that.
Yeah, that’s real.
That’s very real. So I would think that we need to be thinking about what people do, who they are, what they mean to the agenda. I can think of a lot of old people sitting on the Supreme Court. When we lost Ruth Bader Ginsburg, as old as she was … I’d much rather have her than the replacement that we just got. So if age is going to be your definition, then you all would be very pleased with the replacement we got for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Speaking in terms of youth: Do you spend much time on Twitter or social media? Do you pay much attention to the political conversations and debates on there?
Not at all. My daughters do, and grandchildren, but no, I don’t. I really don’t. They keep me posted on what people are saying about me, both the good and the bad, but I don’t do it.
I’ll tell you what I do. I give out, as I did last August, I gave out 175 scholarships to young people trying to get an education. And I’ve been doing that before I came to Congress. It has not always been 175, but I think that my youth movement is much more productive than most of the people who talk about it.
I don’t want to spend too much time relitigating the “defund the police” debate, but you said that the slogan was killing the party and cost the party seats during the election, particularly your friend, your mentee Jaime Harrison and outgoing South Carolina Rep. Joe Cunningham. What sort of evidence or data are you relying upon to claim that?
It’s kind of interesting. The pushback I’ve gotten for that from people.
You probably don’t remember this, but when John Lewis marched across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, it was in March 1965. He was beaten to near death.
Right.
Six months later, Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965. And everybody says it was because of what happened on that bridge, on what has become known as Bloody Sunday. But guess what? Less than 12 months after Congress passed the Voting Rights Act of 1965, they kicked John Lewis out of SNCC. And you know why they kicked him out? Because he refused to adopt the phrase “burn, baby, burn.” He would not let those words fall off his lips. And the guys kicked him out, dethroned him.
All I’m saying is, I was born and raised in South Carolina, the first state to secede from the Union. And everybody says it’s probably second only to Utah in its right-wing politics. There’s not a Black person elected statewide to anything in South Carolina. So, nobody in this Congress is more progressive than I am. Nobody. I just happen not to get a good feel for sloganeering. Sloganeering can kill you. And that’s all I’ve said, that that slogan is not beneficial.
I’m not against anything. I support it. But that doesn’t mean I have to accept the notion that a sound bite is not detrimental. You talk to any of these people who’ve run. Those people who keep telling me that I’m wrong are the same people that said I was wrong when I endorsed Joe Biden. But now they looked back and said, “Joe Biden was the only one who could have won.” Well, hell, I knew that before the fact. Why didn’t you? I endorsed him because I felt he was the only one who could win. And my wife said to me, six months before she passed away, she said to me, “Joe Biden is our best bet to defeat Donald Trump.” Well, I was wrong when I said that a year ago. So why am I right today? Come on, man.
What you’re saying is that this is more of a feel issue than a data or a polling issue. That, in your experience, you feel that the slogan of “defund the police” is more ineffective than the aims of it are. Is that a fair reading of what you said?
I said I would much prefer reimagined policing as being a rallying cry than “defund the police.” Because “defund the police,” people use that against us. I’ve seen an ad this past week. They’re running that with [Georgia Democratic Senate candidates] Warnock and Ossoff. They’ve got their two pictures up on TV right now. And right across their heads: “They want to defund the police.” They aren’t doing that unless it was poll-tested. They know darn well that that is effective. They don’t want to defund the police. Come on. But [the Republicans] know it works.
Just talk to Jaime Harrison and ask him, did that slogan hurt him in the campaign when his picture was put up there? They had him sitting in the middle, Nancy Pelosi on one side and Chuck Schumer on the other side. And a big caption, “They want to defund the police.” That was all over South Carolina. And I could feel his campaign plateauing.
OK. Let me ask you this. You got your start in state politics in part because of police abuse, the Orangeburg massacre at your alma mater, South Carolina State, when highway patrolmen opened fire on hundreds of unarmed Black protesters, killing three of them. You’ve said that you can see a direct line from Orangeburg to today’s Black Lives Matter movement. Which is obviously just more evidence of the long-running institutional problem of racist police violence. So, was it a mistake for you to agitate potential voters and Democrats by drawing attention to police abuse back then? What’s the difference between then and now?
I’m saying don’t use slogans that destroy or undercut your efforts. That’s all I’m saying. I want to see every bad police officer off the police force. Some of them I want to see in jail. And they need to be in jail. There are a lot of bad police officers. But look, how many priests have been arrested for messing with little boys? We didn’t burn down the church and get rid of the chapel. We got rid of the priests. I have never seen the slogan “We need to abolish the priesthood.” Have you ever heard of anyone say that? How many Catholic priests have you seen arrested and making headlines for assaulting little boys?
Quite a few.
OK. That’s all I’m saying. Same thing. Get rid of the bad apples.
...
What happened with the polio vaccine?
Well, see, remember you had two polio vaccines. One was a shot in the arm, and one was a drop of serum on a lump of sugar. So I’m going to ask you, which one would you rather have? The lump of sugar or the shot in your arm?
I have a sweet tooth. So …
OK, well, guess what happened? When they started distributing that vaccine, the shots went into the Black neighborhood, and the lump of sugar went into the white neighborhood.
might as well force the vote then
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If we returning to normalcy, the Obama era etc. Deporting illegal immigrants @ a high rate and separating kids from their families has to be included. lol