JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
nobody knows about anymore?
Like Clue and them in the 90's???
Like Clue and them in the 90's???
Why are there no DJ's working the streets finding hard tracks that
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That DJ/mixtape era died around 2005.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
they dont get paid for that kind of thing anymore because nobody is doing it to get paid for it
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
thanks for the pointless post
Before i bother getting into this just to be clear do you want a real conversation on this topic or are you just making a rhetorical statement?
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
i aint one of these bullshytting nikkas......i wouldntta made the thread if i wasnt seroius with it
the djs of today (at least the ones I come across here in NC ) are so fckn lazy and continue to play the same safe sht year in and year out..its no excuse especially with the technology and access to music available today. They have ruined many parties and club nights for me as a music lover...a big fck you from the bottom of my heart to all NC djs...seriously...one exception can be made for the strip club djs (onyx,124,cameo)....my strip club djs seem to be the only djs who know what the fck is going on so props to them...
I wish new DJ's knew how to mix, blend, at least scratch..
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
I mean, u got mad nikkas out here.................putting full mixtapes of their music out on datpiff.com really expecting that people are going to go thru all them fukking mixtapes, find their joint and listen to it.................the way they want it to be heard (in its entirety).....dog you got to be dumb as hell to think that......and im a music listening nikka.....
That was the beauty of a clue, a craig g, etc.........
they put out hard ass tracks from nikkas you never heard of.............
then after u heard that hard track u were checking for the nikka that made it............
basically the buzz was built organically...........
this dump ur mixtape on the net and hope for the best shyt is foolish and a horriable way to get ur music heard..........
That was the beauty of a clue, a craig g, etc.........
they put out hard ass tracks from nikkas you never heard of.............
then after u heard that hard track u were checking for the nikka that made it............
basically the buzz was built organically...........
this dump ur mixtape on the net and hope for the best shyt is foolish and a horriable way to get ur music heard..........
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Well I feel like basically the DJ role has completely changed in the last few years...
Everyone's music is online from jump these days, so really DJ connections to the industry/streets are a lot less important than they used to be. I could go on google/youtube spend an hour and probably find more unknown artists pumping the specific sub genres of hip hop that i personally enjoy as easily as any dj. So that's one.
Couple that with the fact most hip hop fans in this day an age are not really hip hop fans. This isnt me bringing back the real hip hop vs commercial or anything like that from an aesthetic sense. But saying a lot of today's hip hop fans are not into getting put on to some unknown new artist, they prefer to listen to established artists that are known entities. 'Relevance' is very important to most of today's hip hop fans.
Now everything is unfortunately a business, so the main important concern is DJs have to see some way to monetize the effort spent finding new music/artists. So far most fans wont pay for DJ mixes, they dont want to hear new music in parties, and in radio settings the program directors and honestly the fans also dont want to hear artists/songs that aren't 'relevant'. So there really is no financial incentive for DJs to dig for new artists.
I think this is a big missing component, to a degree i think internet DJ subscriber channels might eventually fill this niche. If i found a great say DJ whatever youtube, or last.fm, podcasts, or whatever channel that was updated like clockwork every day or week or whatever, that had new music but mixed well, themed, blended (whatever the DJ brings to the table), i would probably tune into that religiously instead of going to 5 different hip hop websites clicking on a bunch of links to find the few songs i actually like... not sure how easy that is to monetize but a lot of youtube publishers make a good living so might be possible.
Everyone's music is online from jump these days, so really DJ connections to the industry/streets are a lot less important than they used to be. I could go on google/youtube spend an hour and probably find more unknown artists pumping the specific sub genres of hip hop that i personally enjoy as easily as any dj. So that's one.
Couple that with the fact most hip hop fans in this day an age are not really hip hop fans. This isnt me bringing back the real hip hop vs commercial or anything like that from an aesthetic sense. But saying a lot of today's hip hop fans are not into getting put on to some unknown new artist, they prefer to listen to established artists that are known entities. 'Relevance' is very important to most of today's hip hop fans.
Now everything is unfortunately a business, so the main important concern is DJs have to see some way to monetize the effort spent finding new music/artists. So far most fans wont pay for DJ mixes, they dont want to hear new music in parties, and in radio settings the program directors and honestly the fans also dont want to hear artists/songs that aren't 'relevant'. So there really is no financial incentive for DJs to dig for new artists.
I think this is a big missing component, to a degree i think internet DJ subscriber channels might eventually fill this niche. If i found a great say DJ whatever youtube, or last.fm, podcasts, or whatever channel that was updated like clockwork every day or week or whatever, that had new music but mixed well, themed, blended (whatever the DJ brings to the table), i would probably tune into that religiously instead of going to 5 different hip hop websites clicking on a bunch of links to find the few songs i actually like... not sure how easy that is to monetize but a lot of youtube publishers make a good living so might be possible.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
i feel what u sayin but i disagree........
i feel that the DJ clue type dj's are needed to weed through the bullshyt for the rest of us...........
there is money in this for djs................the good ones that is.............
if they got a mixtape with tracks that nikkas know goin to have shyt on there they want to hear.............them nikkas is going to buy them the same way they used to buy them back in the days.
Thats how he get paid......
That dj also going to be building a name for his self........
and down the line he can do what clue and them other nikkas is doing now...........
nobody is putting in work anymore........
thats the fukking problem.......
DJ find a nikka who make a hard ass track.....instead of putting that track on a mixtape he want to ride the artist coattails to success.........
u say kids today wouldnt be with it...........i disagree..............them kids would bump anything they think is hard just like we would........
time changes but people dont.....
Well I agree that I would rather have a good DJ do the filtering for me, definitely cosign that 100%.
As for the money, i really dont know holmes, i mean artists cant hardly sell albums these days, the DJ mix sales are nonexistent. I mean I hope the money is there cause i would like to see the DJ scene rise again, i just dont know if it is and frankly thats the number 1 thing in this whole convo... cause if the money is there the dj's will find a way to take care of everything else, and if the money isn't there it just ain't gonna happen...
Now another good point you bring up is 'instead of putting that track on a mixtape he want to ride the artist coattails to success.........' that is real holmie. It makes business sense but it fukked up the DJ tape game, i mean even DJ Clue went from dropping mad 'exclusives' of the newest talent, to dropping tapes half filled with only his own artists signed to desert storm. But I dont really know a way around this, i mean to a level its always been this way, the juice crew blew up cuz marley marl was djing on the radio, the native tongues blew up cuz red alert was djing on the radio... its BEEN that way for the longest.
As for the money, i really dont know holmes, i mean artists cant hardly sell albums these days, the DJ mix sales are nonexistent. I mean I hope the money is there cause i would like to see the DJ scene rise again, i just dont know if it is and frankly thats the number 1 thing in this whole convo... cause if the money is there the dj's will find a way to take care of everything else, and if the money isn't there it just ain't gonna happen...
Now another good point you bring up is 'instead of putting that track on a mixtape he want to ride the artist coattails to success.........' that is real holmie. It makes business sense but it fukked up the DJ tape game, i mean even DJ Clue went from dropping mad 'exclusives' of the newest talent, to dropping tapes half filled with only his own artists signed to desert storm. But I dont really know a way around this, i mean to a level its always been this way, the juice crew blew up cuz marley marl was djing on the radio, the native tongues blew up cuz red alert was djing on the radio... its BEEN that way for the longest.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
how does dj drama and nikkas like him make their bread off mixtapes?
I do not know about now a days, how DJs actually made money of tapes change over the years...
Late 90s used to be that the DJ would have relationships with all the mom and pop stores and the stores would sell the tapes on consignment... DJ drops off 20 tapes/CDs at say burkena in the village, comes back in 2 weeks, if they all sold he gets 5 bucks a CD(completely made up number), if not he gets his cut of what actually sold and then reclaims the unsold joints... this involved a lot of legwork.
Early 2000s DJs used to supply the cover art and 'master' copy to the big duplicator bootleggers for a flat fee. DJ drops off the master to the few big duplicator gets 5000 bucks (completely made up numbers) cash and doesnt deal with the distribution leg work but makes much less money... basically DJs were getting bootlegged to death and had no choice but to just take a big paycut and work with the bootleggers... i remember a friend took me to a big duplicator around 34th street in midtown manhattan in like 2001, was like a warehouse of every CD and DVD ever and all the africans would buy their stock for 1 or 2 dollars a CD and then go sell them on the main strip of 34th for 5 bucks a CD.
by like mid 2000's DJs would make their bread off of the artists labels. So used to be if DJ Drama did a lil Wayne mixtape, it was cause Wayne's label came to him with promotional funds like here is 20K (completely making up that number no clue what the real numbers are like) to promote our artist... this really was a response to the fact the duplicators could just get web rips so fast and easy it wasnt worth them paying the DJs anything... but the game got fukked up here because when dj drama etc are doing stuff for 'free' cause the label paying him, a no name dj cant compete there just is no money in it without the labels...
Now of course the golden road is to release tapes as official albums but they get bootlegged to death, and the dj is responsible for getting all samples cleared etc so its a big headache unless yu are really at a khaled or funkmaster flex kinda level...
thats what i know but that info is like 8 years outta date not sure if theire is a new way to get money out of it... i know mid 2000s djs were trying to do podcasts with sponsors in them but it just didnt pan out financially...