Why are there no female libertarians?

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STEM and the philosophy he is talking about is different than being a news anchor or typical academic. Of course there there are going to be many female anchors. Just like there are plenty of female bartenders. They're in front of the people. There are a high number of female teachers from grade school to up to PHD's. However, you don't see as many females becoming the next Carl Jung. Jung had a female protege, Sabrina Spielrein, that is just now getting proper recognition after years of being forgotten.
I don't see your or Aelyas' point. The fukk does a woman being the next Carl Jung have to do with anything? Y'all act like being a libertarian requires some great degree of intellectual sophistication. The average libertarian is either some hairy-backed mayonnaise sandwich-eating Hacksaw Jim Duggan cac with a arsenal of rifles and a lifetime supply of Manwich, a woman-hating involuntary celibate shut-in, or some Paul Ryan/Tucker Carlson-esque high-pitched voice bytch boy walking around with a pocket copy of Atlas Shrugged trying to show off his ability to regurgitate Rand, Rothbard, or Mises because he has no other endearing attributes as a human being.

Of the women who take an active interest in politics, at every level, from the most vapid pundits up to the academics, you rarely see any of them being libertarians.
 
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But libertarianism is just another political philosophy...and a shytty one at that.
Its not just political..its economic and social as well..How many women can you discuss concepts like how tariffs ,taxation and regulation can cripple business and innovation with..honestly? My girl is very intelligent but if i brought up fiat currency or the evils of central banking i would probably get this expression :russell:...most normal women just cant be bothered to think about such things BECAUSE they are abstract..if it became a demonstrable reality then they'll show some interest.

And let's not act like there's some huge shortage of women in political science and philosophy.
Political science yes(because its not a real science)...philosophy as a non gen ed course :usure: nah...you have to show me some proof of that..my classes were complete sausagefests.

Female voices are prevalent from low-grade cable news hacks up to prominent academics. You just don't see many of them being libertarians. Libertarians are a small minority anyway, but the movement is generally a sausage fest and you know it
And i have tried to explain why..BTW its not any shyttier than liberalism...with liberalism the social component is great but the economics are unsustainable trash..with libertarianism the social component is problematic to say the least but the economics are very sound

Also, I've noticed that a lot of those internet mens' rights activist-type fakkits are libertarians.
:manny:True..so do some sketchy neo nazi types and conspiracy theorists and many other fringe elements..why? Because libertarianism offers alot more freedom than any other system so marginalized people flock to it..its like post colonial America people who were being kicked out of Europe flocked here for the freedom

so in that way it is actually a positive not a negative
 

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Its not just political..its economic and social as well..How many women can you discuss concepts like how tariffs ,taxation and regulation can cripple business and innovation with..honestly? My girl is very intelligent but if i brought up fiat currency or the evils of central banking i would probably get this expression :russell:...most normal women just cant be bothered to think about such things BECAUSE they are abstract..if it became a demonstrable reality then they'll show some interest.

That's a false argument because tariffs, taxation, regulation, etc. are discussed by every branch of politically philosophy. We're talking about why women aren't libertarians. Libertarians don't have the market cornered on policy expertise. There are wonkish types and know-nothings all over the political spectrum. Most libertarians probably just feel they don't want the government to take their guns and property, or think they pay too much in taxes, or think the drugs they use should be legal.


Political science yes(because its not a real science)...philosophy as a major :usure: nah...you have to show me some proof of that..my classes were complete sausagefests.

Okay but political philosophy =/= libertarianism.


And i have tried to explain why..BTW its not any shyttier than liberalism...with liberalism the social component is great but the economics are unsustainable trash..with libertarianism the social component is problematic to say the least but the economics are very sound
:russ: Reality says otherwise, but ok.


:manny:True..so do some sketchy neo nazi types and conspiracy theorists and many other fringe elements..why? Because libertarianism offers alot more freedom than any other system so marginalized people flock to it..its like post colonial America people who were being kicked out of Europe flocked here for the freedom

so in that way it is actually a positive not a negative
So libertarianism attracts misogynists, racists, conspiracy nuts, etc. because...freedom!
 
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They have no choice...they have to manipulate to get what they want
No they don't. They don't have to they choose to.

The fact of the matter is this power corrupts most people. Women have power over many men. The moment they observe that power in action some can become corrupted by it. Many women discover their power over men as teenagers. It's a power they always have and it changes them at an early age.

Call me old fashion but when a person has to earn something it instills different values in them than when they get that same thing for nothing. A lifetime of getting stuff for nothing changes you. The manipulation comes into play when people get those things for so long they feel entitled to them.
 

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That's a false argument because tariffs, taxation, regulation, etc. are discussed by every branch of politically philosophy. We're talking about why women aren't libertarians. Libertarians don't have the market cornered on policy expertise. There are wonkish types and know-nothings all over the political spectrum. Most libertarians probably just feel they don't want the government to take their guns and property, or think they pay too much in taxes, or think the drugs they use should be legal.

Discussing something in a superficial manner is not the same as being interested in it..and the women you see on TV most are reading prepared scripts..this is something they just arent interested in
Looking at figures from the Universities and Colleges Admissions Service (UCAS) for 2013, it emerges that among UK applicants under the age of 21 who accepted an offer to undertake a degree in Economics in a UK university, 73 per cent were males.




Okay but political philosophy =/= libertarianism.

That accurate..and I would argue that its actually more than just political



:russ: Reality says otherwise, but ok.



So libertarianism attracts misogynists, racists, conspiracy nuts, etc. because...freedom!

Unfortunately yes..the freedom to live as you wish includes the freedom to let OTHER people live as they wish even if it doesnt meet your high standards as long as nobody infringes on anyone elses rights and you accept the consequences of your choices good or bad..ie you have the freedom to fukk up

The reason you find it problematic and it scares you is because you really have never been free..
 
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The reason you find it problematic and it scares you is because you really have never been free..
There aren't many free people in this world. only the upper echelon of society is free. The rest of us have to work jobs to serve them so we can keep a roof over our heads and take care of ourselves. middle and working class people aren't free. many of them live pay check to pay check one unfortunate financial emergency away from complete ruin.
 

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There aren't many free people in this world. only the upper echelon of society is free. The rest of us have to work jobs to serve them so we can keep a roof over our heads and take care of ourselves. middle and working class people aren't free. many of them live pay check to pay check one unfortunate financial emergency away from complete ruin.

:salute: Exactly...thats why sometimes when i watch those national geographic shows on indigenous people in the wild with the tribal titties sometimes i envy them...they are the last truly free humans the rest of us are tax livestock

Even the elite arent free..they live in constant fear of insurrections losing their status and deal with the stresses of managing the herd.
 

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there isn't a lot of self proclaimed libertarians to begin with since most don't even know what that means...there are also less women who care about the nitty gritty of politics to begin with....shyt can you generate a list of actual well known libertarians to begin with? It's a niche political movement and at best you might get a republican or democrat that might have a few things in common with a libertarian on the mainstream level
 

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No they don't. They don't have to they choose to.

The fact of the matter is this power corrupts most people. Women have power over many men. The moment they observe that power in action some can become corrupted by it. Many women discover their power over men as teenagers. It's a power they always have and it changes them at an early age.

Call me old fashion but when a person has to earn something it instills different values in them than when they get that same thing for nothing. A lifetime of getting stuff for nothing changes you. The manipulation comes into play when people get those things for so long they feel entitled to them.


They have to.... it's genetically coded into them

Look around you... women dominate education and have changed the cirruculum to suit the female archetype
where boys are forced to be palatable well behaved order takers and hit with ADHD medication for being energetic


They are masters of social manipulation and use shaming tactics and female own group preference
to get men to do what they want and don't care who it effects.

They use the government to redistribute wealth and emotionally abuse children

Women are entitled from birth and taught their vaginas and looks have value.... just as mens utilty is in having resources
 

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Libertarianism is the arrogant dogma of largely wealthy and white men who think if all the restrictions of society were erased against their dominance, they would have further and greater control over society, ignoring the preconditions and history which allowed this balance of power. Some wealthy immigrant males have this idea as well. It can be boiled down to affirmative action giving jobs to black men/women that are less deserving of the job than more qualified white men, ignoring the circumstances and differences between their experiences. Its a very sophisticated naiivety.
 

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Rand Paul is polling terribly among women. His political philosophy might be to blame.
BY JEET HEER
June 5, 2015


Since 1980, the Republican party has been bedeviled by a persistent gender gap in presidential elections, as GOP nominees have struggled with female voters. But Rand Paul is facing an intensification of this phenomenon: He can’t even win over Republican women. A recent CNN poll showed that the Kentucky senator is highly competitive among male primary voters; his 13 percent support put him neck-and-neck with top candidates like Scott Walker (13 percent), Marco Rubio (12 percent) and Jeb Bush (11 percent). Yet among Republican women, Paul’s share of the likely vote collapses to 2 percent. The small sample size of the poll might have exaggerated the margin of error, but the size of the gender gap Paul faces is far larger than that of any other politician in the poll.

A World at War
Why is Paul so unpopular among women? His recent treatment of female interviewers can’t help. In February, during an interview with CNBC’s Kelly Evans about vaccines, he put his index finger to his lips, shushed her, and said, “Calm down a bit here.” In April, he scolded “Today” host Savannah Guthrie for asking him about his shifting positions, telling her, “You’ve editorialized.” And then there are his positions on women’s issues: He sponsored a “personhood” law, voted against reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act, and wants to ban abortion and defund Planned Parenthood.

But let’s set aside what women think about Paul’s personal qualities, which would require pure speculation, and what they think about his policies, which aren’t much different than his Republican competitors. Instead, consider what sets him apart from all the other candidates vying for the GOP nomination: his highly distinct political philosophy. While not a doctrinaire libertarian, Paul is by far the most libertarian-leaning candidate in the race. And there’s plenty of evidence that the libertarian worldview leaves most women cold, despite the fact that female intellectuals—Ayn Rand, most famously—have been pivotal in creating libertarianism.

The demographic profile of libertarians is sharply defined. According to a 2013 Public Religion Research Institute study, 7 percent of Americans identify as libertarian (though a 2014 Pew Research Center survey brought the number to 11 percent). Of those, two-thirds are men (68 percent) and nearly all are non-Hispanic whites (94 percent). That is, the typical libertarian is a white man. These firm demographic contours cry out for an explanation since, at first glance, there doesn’t seem much intrinsically white or male about libertarianism. Proclaiming itself a philosophy of individualism, with no overt celebrations of either patriarchy or racism, libertarianism still ends up being monochromatic and male.

Cathy Young, a libertarian journalist and author of the 1999 book Ceasefire!: Why Women and Men Must Join Forces to Achieve True Equality, said that “if you look at polls that actually ask people about the role of government, the people at the far end of the libertarian scale are definitely more likely to be male, maybe by a two-to-one margin. Why? I think that for a variety of reasons (whether innately psychological, culturally driven, or shaped by life experience), women are less likely to be drawn to political philosophies that emphasize self-reliance and risk. Women are also more likely to rely on government services, both as clients and as employees.”

Jesse Walker, an editor at Reason magazine, agreed that the libertarian gender gap is real, arguing that for “various historically contingent sociological reasons, the American libertarian movement has drawn a lot on subcultures that are heavily male (computer programmers, for example), and that in turn had something of a self-perpetuating effect.” Aside from computer programming, libertarianism overlaps with other male-dominated subcultures such as science-fiction fandom, the gaming community, Men’s Rights Activists, and organized humanism/atheism. But this account simply raises another question: Why do overwhelmingly male subcultures feel an affinity for libertarianism?

Walker’s colleague Katherine Mangu-Ward offered a parallel explanation, noting, “Libertarianism has historically been a fringe movement. And fringes tend to be populated by men. There are exceptions, of course, but in general, if you investigate the long tails of any bell curve you’re going to discover a sausage fest, and libertarianism is no exception.”

Both Walker and Mangu-Ward contend that the libertarian gender gap has been shrinking in recent years, and that women are much more common in the organized libertarian movement than ever before. The evidence Walker and Mangu-Ward offer is anecdotal, based on their years of experience in the libertarian movement. “Once upon a time, being a libertarian with two X chromosomes made me a rare bird, desperately coveted by think-tank panel moderators and conference organizers,” Mangu-Ward said. “Nowadays, lady libertarians are a dime a dozen.” These explanations are suggestive, but a turn toward the history of libertarianism might offer deeper reasons for the libertarian gender gap.

Libertarian thinkers, like the late economist F.A. Hayek, dubiously claim their ideas have roots in classical liberalism, but libertarianism, as a self-conscious political formation, really emerged as a reaction to Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal. And while it might have been at the start a fringe movement made up largely of men, women intellectuals were indispensable in creating libertarianism.

In his 2007 book Radicals for Capitalism: A Freewheeling History of the Modern American Libertarian Movement, Brian Doherty gave pride of place to what he called “the three furies of libertarianism”: Ayn Rand, Isabel Paterson, and Rose Wilder Lane. In 1943, all three published pivotal books that became the cornerstones of the libertarian movement: Rand’s The Fountainhead, Lane’s The Discovery of Freedom,and Paterson’s The God of the Machine. As David Boaz of the Cato Institute argued in 1997, “In 1943, at one of the lowest points for liberty and humanity in history, three remarkable women published books that could be said to have given birth to the modern libertarian movement.”

In his 2004 biography of Paterson, The Woman and the Dynamo: Isabel Paterson and the Idea of America, literary scholar Stephen Cox noted that Paterson “started as an outsider, and she remained one; she had to struggle for life, then for identity and recognition. Much the same could be said of Lane [and] Rand. ... People who were used to doing for themselves might have a larger conception than other people of the things that individuals can and ought to do for themselves.”

Rand, Paterson, and Lane were all exceptional women who thrived in a male-dominated world of journalism and publishing. This fact both explains their libertarianism but also suggests its limits. It is true that throughout history there have been extraordinary women who have overcome many of the barriers of patriarchy. But feminism—and any political efforts to improve the lot of all women—isn’t aimed at outliers or those who can overcome structural hurdles through talent or luck. Feminism seeks to overcome the problems of women as a group.

While libertarianism is rarely explicitly sexist, it is hostile to collective efforts to challenge sexism: anti-discrimination laws, affirmative action, paid leave, and the broader net of social services that are particularly necessary to those who have historically been tasked with care-giving jobs within the family.

As historians like Theda Skocpol have noted, it is hardly an accident that in the early twentieth century, women, often using “maternal” arguments, played a key role in building the U.S. welfare state. Jane Addams and Eleanor Roosevelt are only the two most prominent female leaders who advocated for child safety laws, workplace safety, and provisions for the disabled and elderly. The social safety net is often gendered female by its opponents, as when conservatives denounce the “nanny state.” Given the social expectations that they look after domestic affairs, women are more likely than men to appreciate the need for nannies. No wonder women as a whole find little in libertarianism that appeals to them.

Rand, Paterson, and Lane left another legacy: They gave libertarianism a historical narrative. They were all nostalgists who celebrated the rough-and-tumble capitalism of the nineteenth century, which they saw as being subverted by the progressive era and the New Deal. (Lane’s role in editing and possibly ghostwriting her mother’s famous Little House on the Prairie series is suggestive of how powerful nostalgia was in her life.) This type of yearning for the America of the robber barons has little to offer most women (who might not want to return to a world where they couldn’t vote and had severely restricted social lives) or for that matter most nonwhites (who might recall the pervasive racism of the era). As Brian Doherty notes, “American blacks or women ... might find libertarian complaints about government growth silly. Most of them certainly feel freer in many important ways than they would have in the nineteenth century.”

To a significant degree, libertarianism is a philosophy that exalts a world where white men enjoyed enormous freedom, but other groups were even more marginalized than they are now. How surprising is it, then, that politicians like Paul, who voice libertarian ideas, have a fan base that is overwhelmingly made up of white men?

To his credit, Paul seems aware that this nostalgic strain in libertarianism has to give way to a more inclusive politics. He’s made a concerted effort to court black voters by emphasizing the need to reform the racial disparities of the criminal justice system. But Paul hasn’t made a comparable effort to tailor the libertarian message to appeal to women, which, given his dismal poll numbers among Republican women, he’ll need to do if he wants to compete in 2016.

This story was updated to reflect the version that appeared in the July/August 2015 issue of our magazine.

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