Why Black Men Don't Go To Church

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When churches start taking bitcoin, i'm done breh :wow:
paying the lord in untraceable currency loool
i bet most churches don't even have wifi
they don't want an invisible force that ACTUALLY WORKS competing with em
 
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Its not helping in the goal to believe as many true things as possible and reject as many false things as possible.
Yet can you prove a "God" doesn't exist? Stop it. You and other atheist are just a small spec in the universe. You as a tiny spec in the universe, how do you know whats false and whats not? We as human's can't prove a God exist nor can we prove that one doesn't exist.

because both theories remove the need for a deity.

Even Le maitire came under fire for using the god of the gaps arguments by philosophers.
Has nothing to do with the point I was making in this thread.

just because one church of one religion who claims to be able to just arbitrarily change their view on things doesn't mean jack shyt. catholics believe a lot of other wonky shyt and adopting one view doesn't change much. Even further, the fact that something seemingly infallible can somehow come back and "update" its views doesn't bode well for the legitimacy of the religion itself.

Don't claim you have the final and ultimate word of god yet revise the very stance you have on certain issues. Its a slight of hand.

Even the catholic church in the 70s came out and said "our bad, the jews didn't really kill jesus"

Like...really? Thanks guys.

or when they came out and excused galileo in 1995.

Wow Thanks for the update fellas!

Or when they came out and revealed: hey...sorry about the indulgences and the purgatory thing...our bad!

fukk the catholic church.
This seems like an emotional rant than a rational one.

And the belief that the Jews killed Jesus is a dated belief... One mostly held by people who are Anti-Semitic(And I hate that word)
A recent survey by the Anti-Defamation League determined that 26% of Americans still believe that "Jews were responsible for the death of Christ." Though that percentage has decreased from 31% in 2011, it still accounts for over a quarter of America.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/jews-killed-jesus-adl-survey_n_4191568.html

Just proves that some of you atheist don't do you're homework... The Romans killed Jesus, for the crime of "majestas" - setting himself up as king in opposition to Caesar. That's why Pilate ordered a titulus to be placed on the cross reading "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". Crucifixion was a Roman practice(NOT a Jewish one) and abhorrent under Jewish law (Psalm 22). The mistaken idea that the Jews killed Jesus led to centuries of persecution. Hell Jews themselves were being nailed to a crucifix daily by the Romans.

As for the bolded, its not only the most ridiculous thing, but shows you just skimmed through most of the things I said. How the hell are they changing/adopying shyt when they were one of the FIRST repeat FIRST to pioneer those sciences!


because they're examples of religion done right by people who are true believers.



http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/times-of-london


Wait so you're citation is Sam Harris? The same Harris who tries to reject Islamophobia and most of his claims have been stated to be baseless science? That video is on another example of him, because as I am watching most of his claims are bias. He seems to believe that those moderate Muslims are somehow safe guarding the extremist.

that would require people to become jewsh...when the reality is that people need to drop religion entirely.

the problem is the dogma, not the type of dogma.

Who said anyone should become Jewish? I said if blacks want to practice religion then they should do so like the Jews and Catholics where its money, power and influence. That was basically my whole idea in this thread.
 

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Good discussion so far.

Just think how much money Black people dropped in collection plates yesterday and what we could be doing with that money.

All that money could be used to buy land, businesses, etc.

I have no problem giving money to a church I believe is doing the right thing with it. I always like to look at what churches are doing with their money. Did they create a school, or rec centers? Are they investing back into the surrounding community. Are they helping their members get jobs, giving scholarships, job training. Yes it's important to give the word, but even Jesus followed his messages with action. Just don't take for the sake of the pastor and his first lady being decked in in designer ever Sunday while 70% of your congregation is one missed pay check away from the poor house. If I see you giving back to the people that in all honesty can't afford to give to, then you have my attention.
 
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Never said it DID. But people in your camp, have this weird idea that no religious groups accepts evolution and the big bang theory. Which is why I hardly entertain this atheist vs religious debate, because both parties appear to be uninformed. Like I said the Catholics and Jews don't take the bible literally. They have a physical body vs spiritual body like view.



IMO the Jews discharges all of this. They believe in a religion, but yet are one the richest and powerful people here in America, if not around the world. Like I said the Jews and Catholic's use religion the right way unlike us dumb Americans. I have no problem with people believing in religion, but AT LEAST use it the right way. The Cosa Nostra were religious and yet they were one of the most powerful figures in American history. Why can't black people be like Jews or Cosa Nostra?

And as for substitute stories and what not, I agree.
No one had a foot on the neck of the Jews in the last few centuries the way they have ours.b they have room to establish and solidify their culture and customs. Ours are invented and given to us by our enemies
 

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I'm fairly sure girls are pushed harder by parents and family members as well as church members to keep going. I'm still forced to go (mostly because I'm 18, still live at home, and don't need to be disowned while my conservative Christian parents are helping me out with tuition), but I can see how girls are pushed more than guys, and there are more women in the church by default, so a greater proportion still end up going.
One of the smartest little kids I know is this little girl who's the grandaughter of the ex-Pastor. She's going to probably end up fukked up as an adult to church :yeshrug:
But automatically being distrustful of the male leaders is one of the main reasons, perhaps a natural stubborness, or seeing more male role models outside of the church. The NOI took a tremendous amount of men out of the church in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and that grouping will never go back.
 
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my cousin used to go for probation and he and his brother dragged me there.
we would horse around the whole time pointing at each on some :ufdup: he talking bout u :russ:

I wore a shirt one time that said on the front IM AN ATHEIST DEBATE ME. on the back said THANKS FOR TRYING. BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME.
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I said in another thread that there are probably (just a conservative underestimating guess) 15 million blacks that gonto church for example

Now say those 15 million donate 10 bucks a pop every sunday (going off of 4 sundays a month)
150 million PER WEEK with 52 weeks in a year =7.8 billion a yr of untaxed dollars. Imagine how we can use that to make economic progress as a people.
 

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The church and the club are the two most harmful and regressive institutions in the Black community post Civil Rights era...

The club is the weekly ritual that non-black women go to. For many, it has replaced the church.

Someone should make a thread about that shyt.
 

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Ain't no on the low. Dudes driving luxury vehicles, staying in a nice house, taking trips for "conferences", extorting soliciting members for contributions to the new ' building fund' all while their churches are in the middle of the depressed neighborhoods and some church members can barely keep their lights on. shyt is disgusting.

Yep. They the real scam artists that be balling off of people's pain.
 

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Yet can you prove a "God" doesn't exist? Stop it.
No. And i never claimed to be able to. The best you can do is move the goalposts when deities are investigated. As all modern theists do.

You and other atheist are just a small spec in the universe. You as a tiny spec in the universe, how do you know whats false and whats not? We as human's can't prove a God exist nor can we prove that one doesn't exist.
So?

The point is that if you assert XYZ exists, we can test those specific claims. No one is going beyond that.

Has nothing to do with the point I was making in this thread.
Yes it does. If we can demonstrably prove a religious claim wrong, then that aspect of the religion is wrong.

This seems like an emotional rant than a rational one.
False. The catholic church held all these views then abandoned them, now because they adopt like 2 universally true scientific statements, then you forget all the shyt they stubbornly got wrong.

And the belief that the Jews killed Jesus is a dated belief... One mostly held by people who are Anti-Semitic(And I hate that word)
Imagine if the catholic church had some fukking balls to stand up to the Nazis instead of coming out in the 1960s and permitting all that antisemitism by saying the jews didn't kill jesus: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/03/jews-laud-popes-insistence-jews-did-not-kill-jesus/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/jews-killed-jesus-adl-survey_n_4191568.html

Just proves that some of you atheist don't do you're homework... The Romans killed Jesus, for the crime of "majestas" - setting himself up as king in opposition to Caesar. That's why Pilate ordered a titulus to be placed on the cross reading "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews". Crucifixion was a Roman practice(NOT a Jewish one) and abhorrent under Jewish law (Psalm 22). The mistaken idea that the Jews killed Jesus led to centuries of persecution. Hell Jews themselves were being nailed to a crucifix daily by the Romans.
I don't debate theology. This is about the stance of the catholic church.

As for the bolded, its not only the most ridiculous thing, but shows you just skimmed through most of the things I said. How the hell are they changing/adopying shyt when they were one of the FIRST repeat FIRST to pioneer those sciences!
They didn't pioneer the sciences.

They FUNDED scientific experiments and adopted them only up until they didn't conflict with central theological dogma.

The german church funding improvements in glass technology or astronomy which were both state-secrets until the 1800s doesn't challenge or change much in the same way metallurgy improvements doesn't change much in the bible until you start asking central questions usually addressed by the existence of deities...namely human origins.

This is why Newton is less threatening to the church than Darwin.

Even still, Newton faced criticism and was outright called a heretic in many circles because he asseted gravity was all it took to keep the planets in motion, not the hand of god.

Wait so you're citation is Sam Harris? The same Harris who tries to reject Islamophobia and most of his claims have been stated to be baseless science?
1. fukk islam. Theres no such thing as islamophobia.
2. He's a neuroscientist and whose views I have found (based on my own education beyond the graduate level) to be wholly substantiated with modern science.

That video is on another example of him, because as I am watching most of his claims are bias. He seems to believe that those moderate Muslims are somehow safe guarding the extremist.

Moderates want credit for not taking their religion seriously. Do you not see the problem here?

Who said anyone should become Jewish? I said if blacks want to practice religion then they should do so like the Jews and Catholics where its money, power and influence. That was basically my whole idea in this thread.
Read this sentence and you'll understand the inherent contradiction.
 

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plus there is much better things to do with my time like sleeping in and watching football:jawalrus:
 
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