Why Black Men Don't Go To Church

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There are good churches out there but I'm done messing with em. Religion is the best hustle on earth.

Tell people you believe in magic unicorns and they look at you crazy. Say there is an imaginery, invisible white man with blue eyes in the sky judging you and they all :ohhh:

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Word. Why can't they have service from 1-3 in the afternoon? That's why these churches act like dictatorships cause there is no democracy or a real voice from the congregation.

As somebody who works full time, I wish I would wake my black ass up extra early on a Sunday and not get paid for it. :childplease:
 

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No. And i never claimed to be able to. The best you can do is move the goalposts when deities are investigated. As all modern theists do.
I'm not moving the goalpost. If anything its been you who has.

So?

The point is that if you assert XYZ exists, we can test those specific claims. No one is going beyond that.
Yet you and religious people still can't prove a God exist or doesn't exist. Just give it up already.

Yes it does. If we can demonstrably prove a religious claim wrong, then that aspect of the religion is wrong.
No it doesn't and it shows your lack of reading skills. My point was and only was is that the Roman Catholic church and some Jews accept the Big Bang Theory and Evolution. Meanwhile Atheist(who know zip on the subject) use those two sciences ti try and debunk religious as a whole, when oblivious to them religious people like the Roman Catholic church ALREADY BELIEVES IN THOSE SCIENCES!!!! How can you debunk someone with something they already agree to!???? Get what I am saying now??? Or do I have to lower this down more?

False. The catholic church held all these views then abandoned them, now because they adopt like 2 universally true scientific statements, then you forget all the shyt they stubbornly got wrong.
How many times do I have to tell you that the Jews killing Jesus is NO LONGER accepted by not just Catholics but also many protestants. Did you not read the quote I posted?

Imagine if the catholic church had some fukking balls to stand up to the Nazis instead of coming out in the 1960s and permitting all that antisemitism by saying the jews didn't kill jesus: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/03/jews-laud-popes-insistence-jews-did-not-kill-jesus/
I don't debate theology. This is about the stance of the catholic church.
Nobodies trying to debate theology. I clearly showed you that its a big misconception that the Jews killed Jesus. And so the catholic church is not wrong in correcting things. Nothing more nothing else.

They didn't pioneer the sciences.

They FUNDED scientific experiments and adopted them only up until they didn't conflict with central theological dogma.

The german church funding improvements in glass technology or astronomy which were both state-secrets until the 1800s doesn't challenge or change much in the same way metallurgy improvements doesn't change much in the bible until you start asking central questions usually addressed by the existence of deities...namely human origins.

This is why Newton is less threatening to the church than Darwin.

Even still, Newton faced criticism and was outright called a heretic in many circles because he asseted gravity was all it took to keep the planets in motion, not the hand of god.
My point was the early scientist still had religious beliefs and yet they still accepted those two sciences. And "only funding" my ass, when we already know about this.
According to the Big Bang theory, the expansion of the observable universe began with the explosion of a single particle at a definite point in time. This startling idea first appeared in scientific form in 1931, in a paper by Georges Lemaître, a Belgian cosmologist and Catholic priest. The theory, accepted by nearly all astronomers today, was a radical departure from scientific orthodoxy in the 1930s. Many astronomers at the time were still uncomfortable with the idea that the universe is expanding. That the entire observable universe of galaxies began with a bang seemed preposterous.
http://www.amnh.org/education/resources/rfl/web/essaybooks/cosmic/p_lemaitre.html

And if I remember correct(I could be wrong), the catholic church too came under fire for accepting the sciences. AGAIN the catholic church were the EARLY contributors of evolution and the big bang theory. The Catholic Church first formulated the scientific method and has always used it since the method was formed. You are really showing a great display of ignorance if you did not know that the first modern schools, universities and hospitals and similar endeavours are founded on the educational principles of the Catholic Church.

Stop being tribal and just admit that the people you try to slander pioneered the sciences that you use to try and debunk them!:laff:

1. fukk islam. Theres no such thing as islamophobia.
2. He's a neuroscientist and whose views I have found (based on my own education beyond the graduate level) to be wholly substantiated with modern science.

Only shows that you argument is an emotional one and not a rational one.

Moderates want credit for not taking their religion seriously. Do you not see the problem here?
But how does that impact you? It doesn't impact me and so I don't care.

Read this sentence and you'll understand the inherent contradiction.

What contradiction?
 

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Word. Why can't they have service from 1-3 in the afternoon? That's why these churches act like dictatorships cause there is no democracy or a real voice from the congregation.
Why would anyone want to be stuck in a place for 3 hours??? Black churches are the only churches that last so damn long.:snoop:
 

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I'm not moving the goalpost. If anything its been you who has.

Stop caping for religious people then.

Yet you and religious people still can't prove a God exist or doesn't exist. Just give it up already.
I never claimed to be able to. Its the theists whose claims falter under investigation

Could there be a god? Sure. But the people who currently claim there is don't make arguments that stand up to any sort of inquiry.


No it doesn't and it shows your lack of reading skills. My point was and only was is that the Roman Catholic church and some Jews accept the Big Bang Theory and Evolution. Meanwhile Atheist(who know zip on the subject) use those two sciences ti try and debunk religious as a whole, when oblivious to them religious people like the Roman Catholic church ALREADY BELIEVES IN THOSE SCIENCES!!!! How can you debunk someone with something they already agree to!???? Get what I am saying now??? Or do I have to lower this down more?
Doesn't matter. 1. the catholic church took hundreds of years to accept heliocentrism formally and decades with evolution.

If you proclaim something in your religion is infallible, then it would never change.

If the church was worth its weight in defending "the word" why update their theology to fit the modern world?

How many times do I have to tell you that the Jews killing Jesus is NO LONGER accepted by not just Catholics but also many protestants. Did you not read the quote I posted?
Doesn't matter. The catholics waited until 1960 to figure that shyt out.

If this was 1970, you'd find this a bigger deal than it currently is.


Nobodies trying to debate theology. I clearly showed you that its a big misconception that the Jews killed Jesus. And so the catholic church is not wrong in correcting things. Nothing more nothing else.
ME NO CURR

The church is wrong in asserting infallibility, yet continually being fallible.


My point was the early scientist still had religious beliefs and yet they still accepted those two sciences. And "only funding" my ass, when we already know about this.
doesn't matter. not all scientific discoveries challenge the central doctrines of all scientists.

cognitive dissonance.

And if I remember correct(I could be wrong), the catholic church too came under fire for accepting the sciences. AGAIN the catholic church were the EARLY contributors of evolution and the big bang theory.
MOTHER fukkING FALSE.

They refused to accept it for many many many years

and la maitre wasn't a catholic. he was apart of very specific CULT of jesuits.

The Catholic Church first formulated the scientific method and has always used it since the method was formed. You are really showing a great display of ignorance if you did not know that the first modern schools, universities and hospitals and similar endeavours are founded on the educational principles of the Catholic Church.
No they fukking didn't

The enlightenment and the stubborness of the church is what we have to thank for that.

and hospitals schools doesn't mean fukk all. these institutions rejected many scientific claims in the name of religion.
Stop being tribal and just admit that the people you try to slander pioneered the sciences that you use to try and debunk them!:laff:
No true scientist can be religious in as much as they refuse to put their own beliefs to the same standard.
Only shows that you argument is an emotional one and not a rational one.
its entirely consistent.

I don't support any religious ideas.

But how does that impact you? It doesn't impact me and so I don't care.

It impacts us daily. From people trying to force their religion on students in public schools to trying to STILL challenge medical principles under the guise of piety.

fukk all of them.
What contradiction?

Stop defending those who conveniently neglect to unilaterally look in the mirror with respect to their own views. To hell with all of them.
 

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Stop caping for religious people then.

I never claimed to be able to. Its the theists whose claims falter under investigation

Could there be a god? Sure. But the people who currently claim there is don't make arguments that stand up to any sort of inquiry.


Doesn't matter. 1. the catholic church took hundreds of years to accept heliocentrism formally and decades with evolution.

If you proclaim something in your religion is infallible, then it would never change.

If the church was worth its weight in defending "the word" why update their theology to fit the modern world?

Doesn't matter. The catholics waited until 1960 to figure that shyt out.

If this was 1970, you'd find this a bigger deal than it currently is.


ME NO CURR

The church is wrong in asserting infallibility, yet continually being fallible.


doesn't matter. not all scientific discoveries challenge the central doctrines of all scientists.

cognitive dissonance.

MOTHER fukkING FALSE.

They refused to accept it for many many many years

and la maitre wasn't a catholic. he was apart of very specific CULT of jesuits.

No they fukking didn't

The enlightenment and the stubborness of the church is what we have to thank for that.

and hospitals schools doesn't mean fukk all. these institutions rejected many scientific claims in the name of religion.
No true scientist can be religious in as much as they refuse to put their own beliefs to the same standard.

its entirely consistent.

I don't support any religious ideas.



It impacts us daily. From people trying to force their religion on students in public schools to trying to STILL challenge medical principles under the guise of piety.

fukk all of them.


Stop defending those who conveniently neglect to unilaterally look in the mirror with respect to their own views. To hell with all of them.

Just admit the people you distaste pioneered the sciences which you try use to debunk(lol) and we'll be done with this. Because to me it looks like this is a personal subject to you.

It seems you're getting this idea that I'm caping for religious people when I'm not.
 

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When a large church here had to hire it's own armored car service and armed guards...I knew it was outta hand.

If I was into robbery I most def would stick some these church's up.
 

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Just admit the people you distaste pioneered the sciences which you try use to debunk(lol) and we'll be done with this. Because to me it looks like this is a personal subject to you.

It seems you're getting this idea that I'm caping for religious people when I'm not.
You can't be this fukking stupid.

Newton's views CHANGED when he made his discoveries cause he disproved and chipped away at his belief in god

Same with Tesla

Same with Darwin

Same with ALL of them!

Before a certain point, we simply didn't know enough to outright negate and debunk everything religion suggested...UNTIL the enlightenment!
 

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You can't be this fukking stupid.

Newton's views CHANGED when he made his discoveries cause he disproved and chipped away at his belief in god

Same with Tesla

Same with Darwin

Same with ALL of them!

Before a certain point, we simply didn't know enough to outright negate and debunk everything religion suggested...UNTIL the enlightenment!

lol! Yet here is what's said about Issac Newton:
"Sir Isaac Newton ... was a devout Christian who contributed many papers through his personal study of theology. In fact, Newton made the Holy Scriptures as much a study that commanded his attention as any field of science to which he had given thought."
- p. 71, One Who Believed, Dr. Robert B. Pamplin, trinitarian author and pastor of Christ Community Church.

"What is not as well understood about Newton was his deep devotion to religion--especially the more mystical variety of it. Newton considered himself a deeply devout Christian--though not of the normal sort. He was, in short, a unitarian [one who believes ... that the position of God is not shared by two other "persons," namely Jesus and the Holy Spirit; ... that Jesus is rather an adoptive "Son" of God--as we all have the potential to be--through having lived a Godly life]. Discovery of his unitarianism would have been ruinous for Newton in English society--so he kept his religious beliefs well away from public view.

"In any case, he stood himself before God in great awe--great awe of the One who crafted the universe with such precision. It was this precision that so inspired Newton--that he gave his life to its uncovery for human viewing. Science and mathematics were thus for Newton virtually religious enterprises."
http://www.kingsacademy.com/mhodges/09_Biography/09a_In-Depth-Biographies/newton2.htm

Who's the real stupid one? Stupid? :smile:

Like I said this subject is an emotional one for you. But more importantly like I said you or any other atheist never do your homework and thus get made fools of. How many times do I have to repeat that guys like Newton had a PHYSICAL BODY(SCIENCE) and SPIRITUAL(RELIGIOUS) BODY!!??? Are you fukking stupid?

What simple minded atheist like you don't grasp is that Science is base on "understanding", Religion is based on "belief". There is no direct correlation between intelligence and religious belief. They are not interrelated!!! You can do both at the same time, independent of each other!

Now can we stop while we're at it? I don't want to embarrass you any further.
 

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lol! Yet here is what's said about Issac Newton:
- p. 71, One Who Believed, Dr. Robert B. Pamplin, trinitarian author and pastor of Christ Community Church.

http://www.kingsacademy.com/mhodges/09_Biography/09a_In-Depth-Biographies/newton2.htm

Who's the real stupid one? Stupid? :smile:

Like I said this subject is an emotional one for you. But more importantly like I said you or any other atheist never do your homework and thus get made fools of. How many times do I have to repeat that guys like Newton had a PHYSICAL BODY(SCIENCE) and SPIRITUAL(RELIGIOUS) BODY!!??? Are you fukking stupid?

What simple minded atheist like you don't grasp is that Science is base on "understanding", Religion is based on "belief". There is no direct correlation between intelligence and religious belief. They are not interrelated!!! You can do both at the same time, independent of each other!

Now can we stop while we're at it? I don't want to embarrass you any further.
I'm not talking about intelligence. I'm talking about honesty.

If you can't put your religious ASSERTIONS about the universe up to the same standard of testing and empiricism that you use in your line of work, then you aren't worthy of the accolades of your discovery, no matter how profound. It leaves a stain on the person's ability to pursue intellectual consistency.

This is the height of cognitive dissonance.
 

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sorry to fukking hear that

cognitive dissonance doesn't mean it comports to your religious views.

http://blogs.nature.com/houseofwisdom/2011/05/saudi_arabia_leads_the_world_i.html


Religious organizations had the money to do the research. It takes no amount of effort to see the backlash religious organizations mounted to any view that challenged their control on theological assertions.

plus, they didn't know enough to reject religion. Thats a completely stupid fukking argument.

You must be either a liar, or flat out irreparably fukking retarded to keep making this fallacious argument.
Most research is done by secular organizations today.... and when the largest research universities do their work.... some of the students are religious. Only a fool would believe their religion would conflict with science or technical work.

If someone doesn't reject their religion... that doesn't mean they don't "know enough" you idiot. So all the people with stem degrees, and phds... who happen to be religious... are also ignorant compared to an antagonistic imbecile like you? I don't think so.
 

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Most research is done by secular organizations today.... and when the largest research universities do their work.... some of the students are religious. Only a fool would believe their religion would conflict with science or technical work.
Yet it happens all the time. hell, i've had conversations with freshmen who wanted to work in labs i've been apart of who've had side convos about how the work we did challenged some of their views.

There are religious physicians, but even they note how their views and the struggle to hold them got even more intense as their careers progress.

The fact is that even with cognitive dissonance, doctors aren't sitting there thinking high blood pressure is because of your relationship with god. They just move the goalpost to other macro-scale events that they don't have to be burdened with thinking critically about so long as they maintain the blanket of ignorance provided by religion.

If someone doesn't reject their religion... that doesn't mean they don't "know enough" you idiot. So all the people with stem degrees, and phds... who happen to be religious... are also ignorant compared to an antagonistic imbecile like you? I don't think so.

Of course it does.

How can you be religious when you're studying fields that directly challenge your view of theism?

Even the most religious scientists don't use god in their field of research.

The director of the NIH, Francis Collins is a born-again christian. Do you know why? Even as brilliant of a geneticist as he is, he was on a hike, saw a frozen river in three sections and equated it to the holy trinity. :snoop: I can't make that dumb shyt up if I tried.

Even the most accomplished people are susceptible to bullshyt.
 

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Church is all fine and dandy until they started the 'Second Offering' during services. That's some new school bs. I don't remember that when I was a kid. :mjlol:

"While we don't mind the kind that jingles we'd rather the kind that folds." looking ass!

Come on, man! :russ::lolbron:
 
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