Not all of us have the same mentality. And we didn't set these blinders up... we just started knocking them down over the last 9 decades.. the masses aren't going to all fall in line at once. I get the same comments and BS as you, from black people. I say nikka ALL the time, but not around ignorant black people.. even had a chick say to me "IF you aint a nikka den what is u den?? nikka u aint all that, u prolly date white bytches". I just say that nikkas are better off now , than they were when I was a kid, and will be better when I'm old. Mentality you have to play it safe though. I'm all cool with connecting with the right people CAC and all. but I never lose sight of who I help on my way up... or who I help when I'm at the top. Black people do have a history of Only associating with others at the top or only being a sell out... so that's the reason some black talk maddd shyt when your making moves. The way you come off can alleviate all those concerns. You should ignore the ignorance and help who you can. Sure there are nikkas that will clown the dude who wants to be an astronaut. That doesn't mean that when that kid become an astronaut he can't start an urban science foundation focused on helping nikkas from his hood. You can't save everybody, but using the cacs and playing politics should have two goals: make money, help OUR people.in all fairness, he's sorta right. black people put an invisible barrier on themselves. why do a lot of black children think they're only way out the hood is rapping or sports, and not studying? which is almost a for chance of getting out. you study hard, get to college and graduate top of your class, no one can deny you, esp with affirmative action in place....yet we dont even use our affirmative action laws. its crazy. white women and asians are the number 1 users of AA.
I personally breezed through the largest medical insurance company in america, on just a H.S diploma, cleaning up my act, coming in on time and busting my ass and learning how to move politically. I started off as a customer service rep, ended up becoming an outsource trainer, traveling around the world...all within 3-4 years.
you know whats funny? initially I got hated on by some black people that had been there for yrs and were much older, they were saying I was a 'safe negro', they mistakened dressing in a suit and tie and talking to VPs and being a sell out wtf lol. well guess what, safe negro moved to north hollywood, and bought a z28 camaro on 19s, and just vacationed in venezuela, you been there 10 yrs, I been there 4 and doubled your salary. but then something happened...ghetto ass bytches that used to be loud in the cafeteria, started dressing professionally, working over time, and making moves, befriending important cacs just like I did. I even had one lady specifically tell me I was her motivation.
I would train new hires, and black people would be the primary people surprised when a 24 year old me would walk in with a suit and tie. it was crazy. I had young brothas asking me "how I did it", and that "they wanted to follow my footsteps" and you know what? I would lay a blue print on how I did. I always shared my knowledge with young black men. now, im not saying there's no discrimination, I saw some, but it's exaggerated for sure bruh. I always moved professionally as if 'these barriers' didn't exist, and I was able to go to college and become professional without any real barriers. I have a clean record, and just did what I had to do. I did everything by the book, just like a suburban kid would, and it worked.
Sorry to stereotype but a lot of black peoples work ethics are horrible, coming in late, being loud at the job, taking longer breaks, I should know, I had to train black people, and even fire a few (its either them or me, fukk that you aint fukking up my paper, corporate is a shark tank learn quick or drown)
Some of the things I heard as a trainer saddened me. It's almost like we're in our own mental prison. Older black women I trained would ask me things like "do you date black women?", "you got any kids"..mind you I'm only 24-25 at the time. and they were shocked when I said, yes I date black women and no I aint got no kids.look at the kind of inferiority complex we have. we expect ourselves to be bottom feeders.
Even today, I live abroad and people still ask me crazy things like "how are you treated as a black man?", "do them females fukk with nikkas?" "tf you doing abroad". I never once asked myself these questions. I always thought to myself, I'm Tommy, course these people are going to fukk with me. I'm articulate, intelligent, witty, funny. I'm me, and I'm fukking brilliant. how in the world am I going to think my skin color is going to give me an unfair advantage? I haven't been denied anything because the color of my skin and the majority of you nikkas havent either. (if at all you even tried)
We as a community lack confidence, and it's saddening. Just look at the thread title.
Nobody caught it, but a few pages ago, I wrote one simple line. "I'm not at the bottom of any list"
and that should be the entire communities mentality. if every indiv thought that way, collectively it would come together that way.
lets not even get into, how nikkas dont want to follow their path because of how their image or blackness might come across. a black kid in the hood thats 15 could go up to the class and say he wants to be an astronaut and nikkas would prolly clown him. yet we have over a dozen astronauts that work for NASA right now. *sigh*
Why Black People Are At The Bottom?
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I don't think Islam is part of the oppression. The only slaves that resisted were Muslim... Black Americans stopped tapp dancing and salivating at the mouth to set at white tables and suck white dikk, in part, due to the economic and conscious speeches and movements of black Muslims. You're the type of person that will name drop the most revolutionary or effective of our black american human rights people - but ignore the fact that most of them either associated with Islamic groups or were Muslims.
I do think that any concept can be used for oppression.. If someone was hitting me in the head with a hammer - WHAT purpose does it serve me to be upset with the hammer? ... Focusing on the hammer wont stop your head from bleeding. If I were to take the hammer... That wouldn't stop that person from getting another tool to kill me with. As a matter of fact if that person continuously puts in place delusions to trick me into making the hammer hit myself.. I still, in that case, shouldn't fight the hammer.
Rap music in controlled by whites in the mainstream because everything is controlled by whites in the mainstream. Lets not pretend like black don't invent the world culture tho. People made it rain, called chicks rats, and sold weight... in cities like Detroit long long before these songs were out. Before hip hop the Dopeman was the man and the youth were materialistic. That's just like you speaking on black leadership in Detroit and pretending that blacks have controlled cities in modern times.. and pretending like our former economically strong areas in America weren't burned to the ground. You really believe that a mulitibillion dollar, world wide industry is going to not have Jewish and cac people manipulating it. I guess you will.. but that would make since, because you may also think that words don't change and meaning aren't altered. ****** was the word that they called black , and it was neutral. Southern Whites made it negative.. because they mispronounced it and hated blacks.... but for the most part today, if I hear someone say it, I'm not thinking it's negative because I know that it's a neutral part of the urban culture. People aren't retarded and we know when words are used as racial slurs.
I was on the don't say nikka kick like 9 years ago... but that was short lived because the Main people pushing that agenda were the Main people not doing shyt for our people or not reaching the minds of the youth. If a nikka is in graduate school for computer science I'm not gonna criticize him for listening to Immortal Technique, and also thinking some Jcole song is ill. That's shyt is an non issue, economics in the black community needs to move passed all that petty shyt. The NAACP might have won the battle against the UNIA but the UNIA had the economic blue print of M. Garvey and associated with black radical groups that have the ability to flip youth mentality. Black elitist (such as yourself) helped Hoover shut down people like Garvey. Black elitist wanted to be cultural police.. wanted to lead the black community by themselves (because they always know what's best). They wrote the letter urging to keep Garvey in Jail. They were Ok with the target on Malcolm X's back and today blast the NOI and cover up the CIA's involvement in his death. They "bury" the word 'nikka'.. but don't bury the '******' mentality. They talk down to black youth and help None of them. They tell people like Fred Hampton to calm down... and sleep good at night when the police shoot his crib up. Half the people who black Muslims ride for- aren't even black Muslims... Where are these black elitist when shyt hits the fan.. No where... except on the detached high horse.
And fyi, the parts of our culture that you don't like are practice by successful blacks as well.. and were invented in urban areas, not record company board rooms. Chapelle, aaron mcgruder, and Mike Dyson aren't just some ignorant fools. They understand the complexities of the situation.
Tommy Knocks
retired
I 100% agree. As I wrote in my post. I helped a lot of young brothas out, gave many my blueprint, had young brothas asking me to lunch or have some drinks after work so we could discuss corporate politics and all that, and I broke it down to them, kept it 100%, even told them to find at least one liberal white person they could trust, and 1 jewish person they could trust, and have the SAME meeting (it's what I did) to pick their brain apart, and ask them what others think of them, what the political atmosphere of the company was. you'd be surprised what they tell you after a glass of whiskey. from there take the knowledge and run with it. I also told them to distance themselves from certain nikkas, dont be associated with the loud lazy always late to work crowd. be friends after work, but keep a distance at work. in the corporate world....everyones looking. It's politics.
It also through me off when older 'former ratchet' hood sistas are telling me I inspired them. I mean it was crazy how the 5% of blacks in our company took note when I came in there and grand slammed it. A lot of people, even cacs were surprised. but little did they know, I had a game plan, kept low, and calculated from the first month there as a measly rep. I played chess, and it paid off. Present day, I still do the same thing, I even have a massive thread on this site about being a black american and living abroad, I'm always willing to share my knowledge.
Hip-Hop-Bulls
All Star
There's lots of reasons. Ultimately however, we're at the bottom because we're comfortable here. We want to integrate and believe in the myth of "We're one people". All that does is keep our people ignorant. Where did all the black businesses from the early days go? Where did the black schools go? They no longer exist because of integration. In return these white companies give 0 back to the black community. Why do the brothers and sisters who graduate from college have nothing to give back to the community? Because they were taught how to use their new skills to work for other people instead of building the community and becoming entrepreneurs.
In order to be free, we have to think for ourselves. Separate from them mentally. The physical will follow. It's the only way to rise from the bottom.
In order to be free, we have to think for ourselves. Separate from them mentally. The physical will follow. It's the only way to rise from the bottom.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
Cats would consider that as selling out, but I am here to tell ya, that is 100% truth......
Its a lot of good people with good spirits out here, regardless of race
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
black people control numerous cities in america and maybe you arent talking about the rest of the world but i was, cuz black people arent at the bottom just in america, they are at the bottom in the rest of the world also
and im asserting that detroit and south africa are examples of where black people had political power but we lacked a real economic plan and imo its because people confuse things like civil rights, anti apartheid and anti racism etc as some type of actual economic plan, which it isnt
i dont buy this rap music is just a symptom, like i was saying in another thread, its a 2 way street, art impacts society and society impacts art, there is no society in the history of the earth where art was a one way street and there is no reason to think the art of rapping and black society are simply a one way street
thats fine if you want to motivate but i dont need motivating personally and im not going to let you tell me lies, its a lie to say that rap music is just a symptom and its a lie to say that it doesnt matter what you call yourself, or how you talk
i am saying we should fight for both also, i think we should push for civil rights and we should fight racism, im just against telling black people lies and suggesting that fighting racism and civil rights is an economic plan
if you reduced racism and you had civil rights black people would still be at the bottom economically
as far as socialism and capitalism, sure i agree that you can borrow ideas from a socialist and i also i agree that you can borrow ideas from capitalists, and you can also borrow and copy ideas from jews asians, whites and everybody else on the planet, i was simply stating my point of view before you tried to put words in my mouth, i think history has shown that even if you want a socialist system you still need a capitalist economy to support the social system, Scandinavian countries, isreal, france etc are socialist to certain extent but they are all capitalist countries
every single black person has the intellectual right to choose whatever religion or economic ideology, just like there is no such things as a black man's religion there is no such things as a black man's ideology, every black person should choose whatever they feel fits them
i wouldnt say it warranted, but african cultures made two fundamental mistakes 1) they had a culture that was conducive to slavery and there was already a slave trade in africa before the euroepan and so they ended up participating in the slave trade 2) they fell behind europeans in terms of science and technology
if the europeans that first came to africa had not been racist, africans would have still been at the bottom unless they corrected the 2 things i stated above and to a large extent africans there and us here in the us still havent corrected those things
im fully aware of policies that created "ghettos" and that is what we need to correct, the first thing to correct is to ask why exactly are these ghettos, why exactly is there something wrong with having a large concentration of black people in a certain area, i think we need to rethink the mentality that says this is a bad thing
sure if you say so, i dont actually have real beef with "old folks" i think they were misguided and focused on the wrong things but i think we can still build on what they did, their fundamental mistake is equating civil rights with an actual economic plan
90% of black people wake up in the morning and do whatever the fuk the want, and these densely packed urban areas are a good thing, its just black people dont have the education and the proper economic plan to turn our cities into meccas
so i wouldnt shy away from your characterization, if you know history what i am saying is just a continuation of what booker t washington and marcus garvey were saying but i double down on capitalist ideology and i am dismissive of social programs
first of all i support urban culture, aka hip hop culture, what i dont support is corporate rap music and i dont support intellectual and artistic stagnation
i wasnt saying islam is holding people back economically, but religion in general does hold black people back intellectually, islam is just the flip side of christianity
so let me get this straight, when you say things like this, ie talking shyt about black people, its ok, but if i do it im an elitist, is that how it works?
if insulting corporate rap music means cultural isolation o certain groups of black people then so be it, i dont think thats true tho, i think if you point out garbage people will eventually realize it is garbage and turn around
if you lie and tell people its not garbage then they will continue thinking its not garbage
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
first of all stop lying about slavery and islam, its a lie to say that the only slaves that resisted were muslim, i have no idea where you got that from, probably some lies that they told you in the mosque, do me favor and site some sources for this
i have a source that says black muslims were involved in the slave trade 100 Amazing Facts About the Negro: Slaves Who Won Their Freedom
and you were tap dancing like a motherfuker when i posted this pic
and yeah i definitely ignore the fact that certain people are muslim just like i ignore the fact that certain people were christian, religion is a personal issue
im not really sure what that means, you mean rap music is a hammer being used to oppress black people?
sure, but i dont see how it follows that i have to support it
im not pretending those things arent part of black culture, im just saying that black culture also involves civil rights, academics, edutainment and anti gang intitiatives, that is what hip hop is also about so when somebody tries to define rap music or black culture and focusing on the parts that white people and the general public find entertaining i think that is a problem
i honestly dont give a fuk about the consequences, if im isolating people by insulting the exploitation of black culture called rap music then so be it
i fully support hip hop culture, rap music is simply on element of hip hop, hip hop can survive without rap music
if ****** was just a word used amongst black people then yeah, but its not, its world wide word, it stops being neutral outside of the black community
who exactly are these people that you say are doing things for the people and that people are listening to?
thats a whole lot of accusations, which i thoroughly deny, and i disagree that i would ever be against garvey, i think a lot of what i say is influenced by garvey, this whole notion that it doesnt matter what you call yourself is not something that garvey would have ever co-signed, dude was the biggest promoter of pomp, i think you need to study garvey before you start name dropping him
i dont even know what this means, im very big on individual freedom and intellectual freedom, i dont have beef with people that have a different opinion with me, the only black people i really insulted with people involved in the rap industry
and this whole notion of lambasting black elitists and then name dropping chapelle, mcgruder and dyson makes me wonder what your definition of elitists is, especially dyson, how exactly is dyson NOT an elitist
i think your definition of black elitist is just somebody who you disagree with
@theworldismine13
read it. You are wrong on every point about isolation, education, economics, and black elitist. However, I can see Garvy not wanting black people to say nikka. However, he did say Negro, which I actually dislike more.. at least nikka (and all its meanings) is something that we developed within our own culture.
read it. You are wrong on every point about isolation, education, economics, and black elitist. However, I can see Garvy not wanting black people to say nikka. However, he did say Negro, which I actually dislike more.. at least nikka (and all its meanings) is something that we developed within our own culture.
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And just to be clear.. rich black people aren't the elites I'm speaking about. I'm talking about those who isolate, look down on, and divide our communities. Especially those who are responsible for integrating us into no self dependency. Separatist revolutionaries are really the only people we've had that encouraged economic growth in an effective way. Plus, (i mention this because you pointlessly attack religion when you speak on this - as if MKL, Garvy, X and anyone worth mentioning weren't religious) if you go to a black owned business.... or see a 'high up' black person mentoring or helping black youth.... what the chances that he will be atheist?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
thats cool, you can call me a hip hop elitist then, i most definitely think that there is a culture and mentality that has to be isolated and eliminated for black people to grow and i look down on it
i dont think delores tucker was 100 percent right but i most definitely see and and understand what she was saying now that i look back, and her points about making sure black culture was uplifting and positive was on point
im not sure why you bring up separatism, you are the one that is complaining about black people being segregated into dense urban areas, im the one asking why is it a bad thing to have black people in dense urban areas, i think densely packed black areas represent an economic opportunity but only if you have the proper education and the proper culture
i dont see what religion has to do with anything, i think religion is a personal issue and i could care less what religion you or anybody else is, i brought up religion because you were telling bold face lies about muslims being the only ones that stood up to slavery and that everybody except muslims was tap dancing, i dont even participate in the religion vs atheist threads in HL, i just pipe in when muslims try to act like they have some type of superior moral standing when in reality its just a garbage ass racist religion that is parallel to christianity except its dominated by arabs instead of europeans
aight nikka.
It wasn't that everyone was tap dancing (yet) , it's just that Muslims did stand up during slavery. We already know who was standing up for the most part in 30-50's. Half the people standing up past 50's were.. what religion? It's not a moral high ground, it's just that when people like you try to discount religion or make a case that it's holding us back - I like to make the point that the religion (or nonreligion) is inconsequential to the debate. So you like to put up slavery pics n all this shyt, to make invalid points, but I just want u to know that everyone knows the history of slavery. With a full understanding of the history you wouldn't make cases about Islam and slavery and single that shyt out.
Your clueless. I didn't bring up separatism to say it, in and of itself, was a bad thing. I was saying we didn't decide one day to end up in the ghettos and urban areas. Not every aspect of our situation or culture is internal. There are external pressures that happen, and still happen, that you pretend like it would be ok to ignore. Like we can base a plan around cultural improvement and we would all prosper. That just isn't the case because most of us are brainwashed.. most of our youth don't even know what they're up against. And most of the "hip hop elitist" don't know how to reach them... the rants of the black elitist fall on deaf ears at the expense of our youth.
I say black elitist not hip hop elitist. How r u hip hop?? Just because you criticize rap on a hip hop site? You probably can't dance, can't draw, can't rap, probably lame, and you feel that rap should be place in the trash and you don't like urban youth culture. The urban street subculture, Djays and slang associated with it, make u sick.... so how are you associated with the artistic expressions enough- that would allow you to call urself a 'hip hop elitist??" ur a black elitist.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
you said that muslims were the only ones that stood up to slavery
that is a bold faced lie, if its true than feel free to post up a source for that assertion
yeah we do know who was standing up, the vast majority were christian, you are obviously delusional and have been brainwashed at the mosque if you think otherwise
i wasnt discounting religion, i was saying that islam and christianity are similar
and i dont understand, first you said that islam was the only religion that stood up to slavery and now you are saying religion is inconsequential? you dont even make any sense
and like i said when i posted the pic you started tap dancing like a motherfuker and making excuses and you are still tap dancing, that picture destroys your whole "muslims were the only ones that stood up to slavery" gibberish
the picture is the history of slavery and muslims were deeply involved in the slave trade in africa
in fact here is testimonial from a black person that was enslaved by black muslims, in other words till this very day black muslims are still engaged in slavery
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfD2SHlkPOE[/ame]
all the stuff you are saying about Muslims being the only ones standing up to slavery is a lie
i dont know why you brought up separatism, i was just pointing out that a place like detroit which is 80 percent black and other black cities are a good place to put separatist ideas into effect, so i dont think you should bemoan urban areas that are densely populated with blacks
im not ignoring external pressure at all, in fact i said civil rights are important, what i said what is important is individual freedom, economic freedom and education, the reason i said that is to address external issues that are effecting black people
yeah and that is what i have been saying all along, for black people to come up black culture has to change
im glad we agree that black culture needs to improve
you sound elitist
i would disagree with that, maybe it falls in deaf ears of "real nikkas" who are older but it does not fall in deaf ears of youth, meaning teens and pre teen
black elitist, hip hop elitist, whatever floats your boat, but i do not shy away from the label elitist, i most definitely think we need to separate the wheat from the chaff
im hip hop because that has been my culture since i was little and i follow KRS-ONE and i follow the KRS definition of hip hop
the idea that i have to give a fuk about corporate rap music to be hip hop is more lies just like you are lying about only muslims stood up to slavery
this is the current state of corporate rap music http://www.the-coli.com/booth/116991-trinidad-james-admits-c00ning-profit.html#.UaL6L9j4Jvo and i definitely think this type of thing has to isolated and eliminated from black culture and hip hop culture and that is why i think delores tucker had a good point
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNwhbo451YM[/ame]
PoPimp84
All Star
I don't think anyone in here meant open black businesses to cater to other black people exclusively. Many just bring up the nail salons and corner stores because by in large other races of people own and operate most of businesses within our communities. At least getting a foothold on our own businesses within our hoods is a start to close this economic gap