Why black people are progressive...Doesn't make sense.

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I'm progressive.

 

[Pay Your Bills]

I will give you two. The Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

This are not progressive politics but basic human rights, nice try.

 

[DarkHorse23]

A lot of blacks are ideologically more conservative. It's just that the Republican party is full of outward racists and the Democrats are willing to throw blacks a few crumbs here and there, so blacks run under the Democrat banner.

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why are the majority of the black community are progressive liberal
Progressive liberal :
- Destruction of the nuclear family and fatherhood
- feminism and the emasculation of black men
- Dependency to the governement (this benefits them)
- Pro-choice (killing black babies to decrease our numbers)
- They're anti buisness, which means they're against black empowerment and black entrepreneurship, they prefer social programs and poverty for black people
- They advocate for gay and trans rights
- They advocate adoptions for gay people
- Anti-Religion
Conservatism :
- Economic liberalism (which is good for black empowerment)
- Anti feminism and pro-manhood
- They're for small government, more power to the local community
- They're pro buisness
- They're against gays and trans rights
- They believe traditions must be preserve in order to keep a community strong
- They believe in solidarity among people in the same community
- They're for segregation except for buisness deals (We should only deal with white people for buisness purposes)
- Pro-religion

Now when you talk to black people about conservatism, they automatically attach this ideology to republicans and racist white people. Conservatism is a ideology, so white people don't own this ideology, conservatism is everywhere, In nigeria, South Africa, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia etc...Every community and ethnicity can advocated conservatism for their own people, this had nothing to do with white people or the republican party. But when a black man said he's conservative, stupid negroes automatically associated this with being republican. Being a conservative means you want to keep the black community strong by promoting strong nuclear family and black solidarity.

I'm black.

I'm progressive.

The highlighted green things are good to me.

The highlighted red things, are bad to me.

Anything in blue means you don't know WTF you're talking about.

 

[Pay Your Bills]

You do realize that the historical reason that Black people vote with Liberals is because the Liberals are the ones that supported Civil Rights? You knew that right? Yeah the Liberals supported Civil Rights, because they are outcasts in American society too, but that is the reason that Black people have historically voted with that voting block.

Fwiw, Black people are the most conservative people in America, but for obvious reasons they have been outcasts and as such other outcasts have gravitated towards the large Black voting Block because that is the only way that all of the groups have gotten a level of equality in America.

Liberals were the one who pushed for integration, their only goal was to gain the support of the black community, not giving us equal rights. Look where we are today, we're worst than before because these liberals policies broke the black families and decreased the influence of black men in the black community. We need to take a step behind and separated ourselves from this liberal society.

 

[Samori Toure]

This are not progressive politics but basic human rights, nice try.

Dude you are sounding real dumb. Real dumb. At least learn the history of parties in this Country. Black people used to be in the Republican Party. After all the Republican Party is the Party of Lincoln. What you know as Conservative Republicans used to be in the Democratic Party.

Those Conservatives were called Dixiecrats, Reagan Democrats, Tea Party, etc. Those Dixiecrats voted against every single piece of Civil Rights Legislation ever proposed. They also voted against the voting rights acts. They are the same people who right now to this very day are throwing up roadblocks to Black people voting in elections like that recently happened down in North Carolina. They do not want Human Rights for Black people.

 

[Remote]

The coli really does fall for these wedge issues okie-doke.

I saw this on reddit a while back and it really nailed it. The writer focuses on white people, but it applies to really anyone of the GOP:

The GOP is comprised of two distinctive groups. The fiscal conservatives are the ones who normally run the show: they're the ones who push for "starve the beast" policies, fewer corporate regulations and lower taxes on the rich, because unsurprisingly they're often rich. However, fiscal conservatism is actually pretty unpopular, for good reason. You can't build a party that's nationally successful on fiscal conservatism because not enough people want it.

This is where the second group comes in. These are the single-issue voters that the fiscal conservatives were able to wrangle onto their side: the evangelicals, the racists, the gun lovers, all people who feel very passionately about one particular topic and will vote Republican because the Republicans have positioned themselves as the party that supports those issues. These are called "wedge issues" because they split voters along ideological lines: even though the GOP's fiscal policies are bad for a poor white evangelical voter, they'll vote for the GOP anyway because they've positioned themselves as the only option to fight abortion, and they've cultivated abortion as being a more important issue to that voter than fiscal policy. This is the Republican base.

There's a lot of techniques that go into creating and maintaining wedge issues, but a big one is dog whistling. Because wedge issues still only capture about 40% of the electorate and you need 51%, GOP politicians have made a practice of wink-nodding at their base during elections, saying things that an independent or undecided voter can take as innocent while carrying a clear message to the base. The whole birther thing is a good example: relatively few politicians said they didn't think Obama was born in the United States, but plenty said "well, a birth certificate would sort this whole thing out", which can sound reasonable to an independent but carries a clear message to the base that they agree the President isn't a US citizen. They have to do this because the social issues they've created, to those on the wrong side of the wedge, are abhorrent.

Trump's message is basically the same as everything the GOP's been dog-whistling for decades. The only difference is that he considers a dog whistle to be low energy. He prefers a bullhorn, which fukks up the whole strategy because suddenly it becomes searingly obvious to everyone what he's saying. This appeals to the base because finally someone is focusing on giving them what they want instead of using them to push a fiscal policy that they don't care about.

The fiscal conservatives, meanwhile, are horrified because they didn't want to have to be openly associated with those social issues. Trump puts them in a position where they have to choose between pissing off independents, who don't like it when the GOP runs on a platform of "fukk Mexicans, blacks, women, and gays", and pissing off their base, who won't settle for dog whistles anymore.

This is part of why Trump was able to decimate everyone else during the primary: it wasn't just that they were too busy attacking each other to attack him, but they to some degree couldn't attack him because they have the same social positions that he does.

@ThreeLetterAgency --- curious to see what your thoughts are...if you disagree with any part of the above.

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

Vote for the party thats accepting of minorities and the poor(blacks live in poverty at a higher rate)

Vote for the party that wants traditional ideas...those same ideals that kept minorities as second class citizens in the first place

 

[Samori Toure]

Liberals were the one who pushed for integration, their only goal was to gain the support of the black community, not giving us equal rights. Look where we are today, we're worst than before because these liberals policies broke the black families and decreased the influence of black men in the black community. We need to take a step behind and separated ourselves from this liberal society.

Conservatives helped break the Black family even more. They are the ones that started that stupid war on drugs that have incarcerated countless Black people. They also were the ones that refused to grant welfare benefits to black families that had the father in the home. That is why black men were driven out of poor black families.


This is what Conservatives pushed for:

 

[dh86]

Liberals were the one who pushed for integration, their only goal was to gain the support of the black community, not giving us equal rights. Look where we are today, we're worst than before because these liberals policies broke the black families and decreased the influence of black men in the black community. We need to take a step behind and separated ourselves from this liberal society.

I'd love for you to time travel to small town Alabama in 1940 and inform them of 2016 black america and tell them its worse

 

[Pay Your Bills]

Asians, Arab, indians are conservative and they're the most successful minorities groups in the U.S.

Japan is one of the most conservative and homogenous country in the world, look how they're successful. Same thing for South Korea and other asian countries.

Every other groups are conservative and practice group economics except us. We rely on white liberals to teach and to feed our childrens.

 

[Pay Your Bills]

Conservatives helped break the Black family even more. They are the ones that started that stupid war on drugs that have incarcerated countless Black people. They also were the ones that refused to grant welfare benefits to black families that had the father in the home. That is why black men were driven out of poor black families.


This is what Conservatives pushed for:

Again, why do you associate conservatism with white people

 

[Samori Toure]

Again, why do you associate conservatism with white people

Why wouldn't I?

 

[dh86]

Asians, Arab, indians are conservative and they're the most successful minorities groups in the U.S.

Japan is one of the most conservative and homogenous country in the world, look how they're successful. Same thing for South Korea and other asian countries.

Every other groups are conservative and practice group economics except us. We rely on white liberals to teach and to feed our childrens.

Prove even some of that

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The coli really does fall for these wedge issues okie-doke.

I saw this on reddit a while back and it really nailed it. The writer focuses on white people, but it applies to really anyone of the GOP:

The GOP is comprised of two distinctive groups. The fiscal conservatives are the ones who normally run the show: they're the ones who push for "starve the beast" policies, fewer corporate regulations and lower taxes on the rich, because unsurprisingly they're often rich. However, fiscal conservatism is actually pretty unpopular, for good reason. You can't build a party that's nationally successful on fiscal conservatism because not enough people want it.

This is where the second group comes in. These are the single-issue voters that the fiscal conservatives were able to wrangle onto their side: the evangelicals, the racists, the gun lovers, all people who feel very passionately about one particular topic and will vote Republican because the Republicans have positioned themselves as the party that supports those issues. These are called "wedge issues" because they split voters along ideological lines: even though the GOP's fiscal policies are bad for a poor white evangelical voter, they'll vote for the GOP anyway because they've positioned themselves as the only option to fight abortion, and they've cultivated abortion as being a more important issue to that voter than fiscal policy. This is the Republican base.

There's a lot of techniques that go into creating and maintaining wedge issues, but a big one is dog whistling. Because wedge issues still only capture about 40% of the electorate and you need 51%, GOP politicians have made a practice of wink-nodding at their base during elections, saying things that an independent or undecided voter can take as innocent while carrying a clear message to the base. The whole birther thing is a good example: relatively few politicians said they didn't think Obama was born in the United States, but plenty said "well, a birth certificate would sort this whole thing out", which can sound reasonable to an independent but carries a clear message to the base that they agree the President isn't a US citizen. They have to do this because the social issues they've created, to those on the wrong side of the wedge, are abhorrent.

Trump's message is basically the same as everything the GOP's been dog-whistling for decades. The only difference is that he considers a dog whistle to be low energy. He prefers a bullhorn, which fukks up the whole strategy because suddenly it becomes searingly obvious to everyone what he's saying. This appeals to the base because finally someone is focusing on giving them what they want instead of using them to push a fiscal policy that they don't care about.

The fiscal conservatives, meanwhile, are horrified because they didn't want to have to be openly associated with those social issues. Trump puts them in a position where they have to choose between pissing off independents, who don't like it when the GOP runs on a platform of "fukk Mexicans, blacks, women, and gays", and pissing off their base, who won't settle for dog whistles anymore.

This is part of why Trump was able to decimate everyone else during the primary: it wasn't just that they were too busy attacking each other to attack him, but they to some degree couldn't attack him because they have the same social positions that he does.

@ThreeLetterAgency --- curious to see what your thoughts are...if you disagree with any part of the above.

I've always felt this way.

Fiscal conservatism has its merits on many levels, but the social shyt is something that will preclude me from ever voting republican. They're just nasty, vile people with no respect for other's humanity.