Why black people are progressive...Doesn't make sense.

Samori Toure

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Yo I always see conservatives & right-wingers always trying to tell black folks this on social media to appeal to them. Is that con game or do they really not know their history involving the 2 political parties?

@Akan

It is a con game, because they know the history of the parties. The current Republican party are the former hateful Democrats. The old Democrats (who are the modern Republicans) were the Confederates they were the ones that fought to preserve slavery. They started the Civil War. They were in the Democratic Party up until the time that they were lured into the Republican party by administrations from Nixon through Reagan.

The current Democrats are actually the old Republicans. They are the old abolitionist and Northeastern and Midwestern business people (Liberals) and Black people. You notice the switches happening during the time of the two Roosevelt administrations. Teddy Roosevelt was a Republican that Black people voted for. Later on we notice that Franklin Roosevelt was a Democrat. Franklin began the lure of Black people into the Democratic party by pushing the New Deal and Civil Rights legislation that the Republicans at that time would not push. So Black people began switching steadily into the Democratic Party and the movement was complete by the time of John F. Kennedy.
 

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we gotta stop puttin ourselves in them two categories

all its gonna do is create confusion... im'ma supporter of black empowerment

since neither the democrats or republicans support that.. we gotta form a voting block..

not a separate party, cause we're an outnumbered population

its gotta be a voting block... like the police unions do..
 

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Those were liberals. Do you not realize that the liberals and Black used to be in the Republican party. It is the Party of Lincoln. The liberal Republicans were the abolitionists that history speaks of. The Democrats were voted against the legislation.
This is a fallacious argument. YOU are choosing to define liberal -- in this context -- to mean anyone who was for equal protection under the law, thus, by this rational, you can be selective and claim Republican were on the left, in the past -- and the Democrats were on the right. However, this is just you redefining stuff to reach the conclusion that you want to be reached.


Secondly, you are another person that needs to study more of American history. Dr. King was involved in the poor people campaign at the time of his assasination. A lot of poor Black people and poor White people in Appalachia in other parts of the Country were living far below the poverty line. So there was a movement to extend welfare benefits to those people to assist them into integrating into the society. It was the Conservatives that placed the restrictive standards on the receipt of the benefits. They knew that would harm the poor Black and White families and it did. Now those are your Conservative family values Republicans that you are bragging about in this thread.
First, when you post stuff like this, bring citations.

Second, what is your point here? Specifically, in relation to my last post.
 

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This is a fallacious argument. YOU are choosing to define liberal -- in this context -- to mean anyone who was for equal protection under the law, thus, by this rational, you can be selective and claim Republican were on the left, in the past -- and the Democrats were on the right. However, this is just you redefining stuff to reach the conclusion that you want to be reached.



First, when you post stuff like this, bring citations.

Second, what is your point here? Specifically, in relation to my last post.

At first I was going to engage you further in what I assumed was going to be actual issues, but then I took a look at your reputation and I changed my mind. Thank goodness they put reputations on this website.
 

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>I don't want to def

end my claims, I better shytpost to avoid having to do so.

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You sound like a troll, because clearly you should have known the historical context of these political parties if you are claiming that i am incorrect. So in the first instance I defined Liberal the same way it is defined now, except that the liberals then would have then been in the Republican Party and were in support of the abolition of slavery. They are the party of Lincoln. Democrats during that period were supporters of the institution of slavery and they were by and large Southerners. They were your conservatives. The fact that you don't know those historical points is your issue.


In the second instance the welfare policy that I addressed was called the "man in the house rule." It is well documented who created the rule (Conservative Republican Family Values a$$holes) and what the rule has historically done. Here is article from 1992 after the LA Riots discussing that particular policy after Conservatives Republicans lamented that the lack of family values is the reason for the issues among poor African Americans.

Welfare's unintended consequences
Glenn McNatt

May 18, 1992|By Glenn McNatt

ONE OF the crueler ironies in the aftermath of the Los Angeles riots has been the suggestion, particularly on the part of conservatives, that the real cause of the violence was not racism or poverty but crumbling inner-city families.

The inner-city family has fallen apart, the argument goes, and thus an entire generation of young people has come of age without proper "values." It's all the fault of the liberal social welfare policies of the 1960s, President Bush said recently.

That's a neat formula for evading the responsibility three successive GOP administrations bear for the neglect of America's cities.

The irony, of course, is that conservatives were the ones who insisted on making family breakups a condition for welfare. Remember the "man in the house" rule? That was the one that said families couldn't get assistance if there was an able-bodied man in the house. It was enacted because opponents of welfare, particularly Southern conservatives, simply couldn't abide the idea of government "handouts" to male heads-of-household... ."

So if a man lost his job, he literally had to leave home if he wanted his children to be eligible for government surplus cheese, beans and peanut butter. Somehow conservatives persuaded themselves that this encouraged "family values."

With the advantage of 20-20 hindsight it's easy to see how the policy had exactly the opposite effect. It accelerated the fragmentation of poor families at just the time low-skilled factory jobs were disappearing. The expansion of the welfare state in the 1960s coincided with the decline of the factory economy in the worst possible way because the no-man-in-the-house rule actually encouraged the breakup of stable, two-parent families.

Conservatives like to talk about the "law of unintended consequences" -- by which they mean the difficulty of predicting the long-term effects of government social policies. Welfare hasn't worked, they argue, because it only produces more dependency.

Yet dependency clearly is a function of the great increase in single-parent, female-headed households over the last 20 years. And that, in turn, was at least in part an unintended consequence of punitive welfare rules that forced poor men to chose between abandoning their children or watching them starve. We are still paying for that mean-spirited policy in Los Angeles and other cities across America.

Doubtless other factors played a role in the break-up of two-parent families over the last generation -- higher divorce rates, teen pregnancy, the corrosive commercial values purveyed by popular music, movies and television. But the no "man in the house" rule was a classic example of how a government social policy aimed at assisting poor families actually undermined them.

If you doubt that, consider this: What would the result have been if the rule had required just the opposite of what it in fact demanded of poor families -- that is, in order to receive assistance, both parents had to live at home with their children?

Glenn McNatt is an editorial writer for The Sun and Evening Sun.

Welfare's unintended consequences
Welfare expands in the 1960s | Soc 315 – Social Welfare



What do want to know about Dr. King's poor people campaign and for that President Lydon Johnson's war on poverty?
War on Poverty - Wikipedia
Poor People's Campaign - Wikipedia
Poor People's Campaign


If you care to read more on the subject of the Black family you can read more a scholarly paper like the one from University of Wisconsin, which shows the growth of the single mothers heading African American families. It was actually rare up until the 1960's:

"... Between 1960 and 1985, female-headed families grew from 20.6 to 43.7 percent of all black families, compared to growth from 8.4 to 12 percent for white families.' Recent estimates suggest that more than half of all black families are headed by women... ."
http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc121e.pdf


African Americans also had the highest marriage rates in America up until the 1960's and 1970's.
BlackDemographics.com | MARRIAGE
 
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who said black people are progressive?

That is like asking a sheep, why you voting for the alligator when the wolf has more in common with you. Is you a fool?

Sheep live in the hills, wolves do too.

Sheep believe in walking, wolves do too.

Sheep live in packs, wolves do too.

Why the hell would you vote for alligators?

Because alligators don't fukking eat sheep MUTHAfukkA
 

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I consider myself progressive but not a dem many black people are conservative though.
 

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Why are the majority of the black community are progressive liberal
Progressive liberal :

- Destruction of the nuclear family and fatherhood
- feminism and the emasculation of black men
- Dependency to the governement (this benefits them)
- Pro-choice (killing black babies to decrease our numbers)
- They're anti buisness, which means they're against black empowerment and black entrepreneurship, they prefer social programs and poverty for black people
- They advocate for gay and trans rights
- They advocate adoptions for gay people
- Anti-Religion
Conservatism :
- Economic liberalism (which is good for black empowerment)
- Anti feminism and pro-manhood
- They're for small government, more power to the local community
- They're pro buisness
- They're against gays and trans rights
- They believe traditions must be preserve in order to keep a community strong
- They believe in solidarity among people in the same community
- They're for segregation except for buisness deals (We should only deal with white people for buisness purposes)
- Pro-religion

Now when you talk to black people about conservatism, they automatically attach this ideology to republicans and racist white people. Conservatism is a ideology, so white people don't own this ideology, conservatism is everywhere, In nigeria, South Africa, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia etc...Every community and ethnicity can advocated conservatism for their own people, this had nothing to do with white people or the republican party. But when a black man said he's conservative, stupid negroes automatically associated this with being republican. Being a conservative means you want to keep the black community strong by promoting strong nuclear family and black solidarity.
You've got to be a little retarded.
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Why are the majority of the black community are progressive liberal
Progressive liberal :

- Destruction of the nuclear family and fatherhood
- feminism and the emasculation of black men
- Dependency to the governement (this benefits them)
- Pro-choice (killing black babies to decrease our numbers)
- They're anti buisness, which means they're against black empowerment and black entrepreneurship, they prefer social programs and poverty for black people
- They advocate for gay and trans rights
- They advocate adoptions for gay people
- Anti-Religion
Conservatism :
- Economic liberalism (which is good for black empowerment)
- Anti feminism and pro-manhood
- They're for small government, more power to the local community
- They're pro buisness
- They're against gays and trans rights
- They believe traditions must be preserve in order to keep a community strong
- They believe in solidarity among people in the same community
- They're for segregation except for buisness deals (We should only deal with white people for buisness purposes)
- Pro-religion

Now when you talk to black people about conservatism, they automatically attach this ideology to republicans and racist white people. Conservatism is a ideology, so white people don't own this ideology, conservatism is everywhere, In nigeria, South Africa, Japan, China, Saudi Arabia etc...Every community and ethnicity can advocated conservatism for their own people, this had nothing to do with white people or the republican party. But when a black man said he's conservative, stupid negroes automatically associated this with being republican. Being a conservative means you want to keep the black community strong by promoting strong nuclear family and black solidarity.

:dame:

A lot of roaches showing their asses in the wake of this election.
 
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