Why Charity Isn't Enough

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I would argue the bigger issue with that isn't the numbers game of public assistance vs entry level work, it's the lack of advancement opportunities.

advancement into WHAT?

Just money out of nowhere?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Dudes really in here advocating how others spend their money

Support the welfare state if you must, but transgressing against private property is unacceptable.

You're going to tell others how much to spend on what they want to spend it on????

 

[DEAD7]

Won't someone PLEASE think about the ruling class???

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Is citizenship and the taxation that comes with it not under the venerable realm occupied by contracts? And to take your arguement to its logical conclusion, are public schools and homeless shelters immoral?

Thats not a "logical conclusion" its presumptive extrapolation.

Common pieces of infrastructure aren't the same with thinking everyone has to have the same resources down to the last cent.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Somewhat unrelated, but I don't understand the general conservative stance on charity. The arguement being that government programs could be replaced by larger charitable comtributions, and that's preferable to social safety net programs. However, the common refrain against welfare is that it creates a culture of dependency. How would private charity, if we grant it could fulfill most of the governments current aid to the poor, not create the same culture of dependency that public charity apparently does?

I don't support this Rand Paul idea that charity can replace certain things like government aid and support, but to chastise the nature of charity itself is incredibly myopic, if not selfish.

 

[Tate]

advancement into WHAT?

Just money out of nowhere?

To more productive and valuable occupation.

Thats not a "logical conclusion" its presumptive extrapolation.

Common pieces of infrastructure aren't the same with thinking everyone has to have the same resources down to the last cent.

If taxation is immoral, aren't things they're used for immoral?

I don't support this Rand Paul idea that charity can replace certain things like government aid and support, but to chastise the nature of charity itself is incredibly myopic, if not selfish.

Never criticized charity itself. Criticized the logical inconsistency in conservative arguements on charity and welfare.

Dudes really in here advocating how others spend their money

Support the welfare state if you must, but transgressing against private property is unacceptable.

You're going to tell others how much to spend on what they want to spend it on????

Who is telling others how to spend their money? And for someone who didn't know what private property was a month ago, you're an awful ardent supporter.

We dont wanna do this on a Sunday.

Can you not renounce your citizenship at any time? Can you not seek citizenship in other nations, offering your services to a marketplace? Seems pretty fair by your standards.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

To more productive and valuable occupation.

This is why I make fun of you as a college student. Its just so myopic and displays such a rampant lack of foresight that makes it utterly laughable to invest in what you're saying. You can get offended at this but i'm hoping you learn something from this.

Listen, in order to find more "productive and valuable" jobs, you need captalism to differentiate what those opportunities even are, if not create them in the first place!

You just speak in these open and rambling catch phrases that show an utter void of any sort of acknowledgement of the effort and accountability of whats required to speak in such generalities.


"more opportunities" ...fam, EVERYONE wants that.

If taxation is immoral, aren't things they're used for immoral?

I never said taxation was immoral.

And even if I did, I don't see why one would lead into the other.

Stop using this presumptive tone.

Never criticized charity itself. Criticized the logical inconsistency in conservative arguements on charity and welfare.

And theres nothing wrong with that, but you didn't stop there. You went on to suggest what private individuals should do with their own money.

Who is telling others how to spend their money? And for someone who didn't know what private property was a month ago, you're an awful ardent supporter.

You shifted definitions mid stride when you spoke so freely that "I dont' believe in private property" until pressed. Don't play fukking semantics with me.

Not to mention, you and @JahFocus CS seem to have no problem suggesting what private individuals can or can't spend their money on in any causes they deem fit.

Criticize the cause all you want, but I see no problem with the enterprise.

 

[Serious]

We dont wanna do this on a Sunday.

Football doesn't start for another 2 weeks

 

[Tate]

This is why I make fun of you as a college student. Its just so myopic and displays such a rampant lack of foresight that makes it utterly laughable to invest in what you're saying. You can get offended at this but i'm hoping you learn something from this.

Listen, in order to find more "productive and valuable" jobs, you need captalism to differentiate what those opportunities even are, if not create them in the first place!

You just speak in these open and rambling catch phrases that show an utter void of any sort of acknowledgement of the effort and accountability of whats required to speak in such generalities.


"more opportunities" ...fam, EVERYONE wants that.


I never said taxation was immoral.

And even if I did, I don't see why one would lead into the other.

Stop using this presumptive tone.

And theres nothing wrong with that, but you didn't stop there. You went on to suggest what private individuals should do with their own money.



You shifted definitions mid stride when you spoke so freely that "I dont' believe in private property" until pressed. Don't play fukking semantics with me.

Not to mention, you and @JahFocus CS seem to have no problem suggesting what private individuals can or can't spend their money on in any causes they deem fit.

Criticize the cause all you want, but I see no problem with the enterprise.

No but the person I was speaking to did say taxation was immoral. You don't see how taxation being immoral makes using tax dollars immoral? It's the same reason they seize the assets of mob bosses' wives and took Bernie Madoff's house, stealing invalidates how you spend that money. It's all immoral, at least from a legal prospective.

When did I shift definitions? Please find me the actual post where that happened. If you would just admit that you entered an economic debate without knowing perhaps the most fundamental economic term in modern times, I wouldn't keep bringing it up. But your pathetic whining about it every time it's brought up goes to show how embarrassed you are about it. You know next to nothing about economics. This is evident in how you go from a nominal moderate of some sort to a Von Mises style liberal when discussing leftist ideals.

To discuss this again, when one doesn't believe in private property, they don't believe that the wealth one accumulated in a capitalistic system is their's. Property is theft and such. It's not a matter of telling someone what to do with their money, it's saying it's not their money.

Ok, just to lay this out for you. You don't know me. Anyone of pretty much any conceivable background could be college. You have this picture of me that you've created whole cloth out of your imagination. Like most things you say, it's wrong. I've worked for years, I work to pay for my loans now while taking 19 credit hours in a dual major. My family lost our home in the recession. Don't lecture me on capitalism's generosity. You seem to think being a college students limits my ability to criticize capitalism, despite the devastating effect neoliberalism has had on public education.

Frankly, your condescension belies your weakness in arguement. You offer no well sounded philosophy or statistical backups, you appeal to emotion through smilies and high handedness. In short, you're a clown. But we all already knew that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

No but the person I was speaking to did say taxation was immoral. You don't see how taxation being immoral makes using tax dollars immoral? It's the same reason they seize the assets of mob bosses' wives and took Bernie Madoff's house, stealing invalidates how you spend that money. It's all immoral, at least from a legal prospective..

and you replied to me about it. If you're such a stickler for posting-accountability, then only tailor your comments to me.

When did I shift definitions? Please find me the actual post where that happened. If you would just admit that you entered an economic debate without knowing perhaps the most fundamental economic term in modern times, I wouldn't keep bringing it up. But your pathetic whining about it every time it's brought up goes to show how embarrassed you are about it. You know next to nothing about economics. This is evident in how you go from a nominal moderate of some sort to a Von Mises style liberal when discussing leftist ideals.

It's also equally hilarious that you entered a discussion about socialism and used the term "private property" so loosely until you were repeatedly challenged and forced to retreat to talking about "business tools" and not your grandmothers wedding ring.

I'm not embarassed about shyt. I'm annoyed that you keep lying about this bullshyt and bringing it up to cover up for the fact that you think being a socialist entitles you to claiming that "you know about economics" when in reality we all know you're sitting here googling shyt to cover your bases when you encounter people who break your bubble of comfort and challenge your central assumptions. Stop quoting shyt from your 101 classes and acting like you've got shyt figured out.

To discuss this again, when one doesn't believe in private property, they don't believe that the wealth one accumulated in a capitalistic system is their's. Property is theft and such. It's not a matter of telling someone what to do with their money, it's saying it's not their money.

So we're playing semantics again

Ok, just to lay this out for you. You don't know me. Anyone of pretty much any conceivable background could be college.

The feeling is mutual.

You have this picture of me that you've created whole cloth out of your imagination. Like most things you say, it's wrong. I've worked for years, I work to pay for my loans now while taking 19 credit hours in a dual major. My family lost our home in the recession. Don't lecture me on capitalism's generosity. You seem to think being a college students limits my ability to criticize capitalism, despite the devastating effect neoliberalism has had on public education.

1. You're mad at capitalism for forcing your family to sign adjustable mortgage terms? For taking on more than they could afford? Its not the system's fault your parents didn't hold their end of the deal
2. That capitalism you despise is enabling that dual degree you're earning is allowing you to earn money to pay off those EASILY ACCESSIBLE LOANS for your education.

Frankly, your condescension belies your weakness in arguement. You offer no well sounded philosophy or statistical backups, you appeal to emotion through smilies and high handedness. In short, you're a clown. But we all already knew that

Well sounded philosophy? You mean arguments used by intellectual inferiors, of the likes of yourself, to pretend to possess some elite knowledge by name dropping...and whats more is you havent posted A SINGLE stat, when dudes like @Domingo Halliburton @DEAD7 @Ill @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! and myself have posted COUNTLESS studies and insights to the contrary of your limited pro-socialist view of the world in conflict of the ideals of the bubble of higher education. I used to be like you. Then I grew up. Stop letting your little bachelors pretend to speak for you. You have a lot to learn and leaning on your degree like you're the only one with an education won't end well for you in here...or the real world.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Personal property and private property are not the same thing!

 

[JahFocus CS]

Attempt to use being a college student as an insult brehs... while posting in a forum called Higher Learning #LowerLearning

 

[JahFocus CS]

Didn't Apu say economics was bullshyt and made up?

"Trust in palm readers, brehs"

Finna put the WOAT on ignore soon. HL is decent right now without theworldismine13's idiocy... it will be so much better without seeing the WOAT's idiocy

 

[Madvillain]

 

[Tate]

and you replied to me about it. If you're such a stickler for posting-accountability, then only tailor your comments to me.

It's also equally hilarious that you entered a discussion about socialism and used the term "private property" so loosely until you were repeatedly challenged and forced to retreat to talking about "business tools" and not your grandmothers wedding ring.

I'm not embarassed about shyt. I'm annoyed that you keep lying about this bullshyt and bringing it up to cover up for the fact that you think being a socialist entitles you to claiming that "you know about economics" when in reality we all know you're sitting here googling shyt to cover your bases when you encounter people who break your bubble of comfort and challenge your central assumptions. Stop quoting shyt from your 101 classes and acting like you've got shyt figured out.

So we're playing semantics again

The feeling is mutual.

1. You're mad at capitalism for forcing your family to sign adjustable mortgage terms? For taking on more than they could afford? Its not the system's fault your parents didn't hold their end of the deal
2. That capitalism you despise is enabling that dual degree you're earning is allowing you to earn money to pay off those EASILY ACCESSIBLE LOANS for your education.




Well sounded philosophy? You mean arguments used by intellectual inferiors, of the likes of yourself, to pretend to possess some elite knowledge by name dropping...and whats more is you havent posted A SINGLE stat, when dudes like @Domingo Halliburton @DEAD7 @Ill @GinaThatAintNoDamnPuppy! and myself have posted COUNTLESS studies and insights to the contrary of your limited pro-socialist view of the world in conflict of the ideals of the bubble of higher education. I used to be like you. Then I grew up. Stop letting your little bachelors pretend to speak for you. You have a lot to learn and leaning on your degree like you're the only one with an education won't end well for you in here...or the real world.

Well you're the one who jumped into mine and another poster's conversation first to criticize my arguement against his stance, so what's your point?

I wasn't challenged on it by anyone other than you. Probably because anyone who has even a basic understanding of economics, from libertarians and mainstream liberals to fascists and Maoists, understand it's meaning. I didn't retreat from talking about all property to talking about economic tools. I was talking about the economic tools the entire time. I was pointing out your, common, misunderstanding of the term.

Making a living under capitalism doesn't invalidate my beliefs. Though I mainly study for personal growth, not economic potential. And government programs, anathema to died in the wool capitalists, are what enable me to attend college. The capitalistic aspect of profit seeking, the interest on the loans, is what makes it hard to attend college.

If the worst capitalism did was forclose on people's homes, I wouldn't have a problem with it. I don't despise capitalism out of personal animus. I merely added that anecdote because I feel your constant call backs to my being a college student insinuates that I'm a privileged, limousine socialist.

I've posted dozens of studies on this forum. As have several of those you mentioned. I enjoy discussion with people like @DEAD7 . You're the one I'm talking about here. You're the one who relies on anecdotes and nonsense, hence the whole WOAT thing. Which is evident here, with the condescending nonsense arguement of me being in college invalidating my stances.

Side note-very funny how you try to form some team against me here with a poster who literally told you yesterday to hop off his dikk because your co-signs make him look bad