Why did KRS ONE solo career never really pop off?

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Word. I never cared how much albums sold when I was growing up.

Me neither, although in the last 10 years and recently I do. Sales do reflect a very important measurement. However I do not feel they measure true influence and impact at the deepest level.

I mean hey, Krs One said it very vividly himself.

"Emcees are just hopeless/ thinking record sales make them the dopest!"

:wow:

/End of thread.

Lol Not to diss op's thread but still. Krs is rap perfection to me. I have confidently said he was #1 on my top 5 of all time many times. (List changes)

That man basically saved my life and I say that seriously.

He has saved thousands of people's lives through empowerment. I have so much love for him.
 

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Krs is one of the best emcees of all time. However, main reason why his solo career didn't go as good as BDP career was because gangsta rap and puff bad boy music took over the mid 90s. Did Krs do something about it? He even did the step into a world remix with puff, so apparently he was OK with it.

This is like when Nas made commercial sellout album IWW, then dudes wonder why rap is trash nowadays. When even some of the very elite emcees were ok with the music being dumbed down and commercialized.
I used to think like this but now realize I was wrong. Appealing to a wider audience is harder than staying in your lane and "keeping it real". Nas sold how much with IWW compared to Illmatic? He grew financially and became more well known. If he would have stayed comfy he would be OC status right now. You have to progress not remain stagnant.
 

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love this mf song to this day. Wish niccas put in this much heart on a track now days. :damn:


Jesus Christ.

I still haven't heard Sex and Violence and I've been listening to Krs One since 1993. Self titled, Boom Bap, Criminal Minded, I got Next, Hip Hop lives, AG collab, Bullworth...

I can't wait to check it out!
 

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yeah but, even without rapping, Eric B/Dj Polo and them were most probably involved in choosing the direction, concepts, and sound of their albums. it's not the same as making an album as a solo rapper.

I can't speak on DJ Polo, but Eric B. didn't really contribute anything, at least in terms of the music. Rakim said in his interview on Crook's Corner last week that he produced 80% of his songs during his career. He made the beat to "Juice (Know the Ledge)" by himself. Eric B. was more of a businessman than an artist. That's why in most of the Eric B. & Rakim videos, you just see him with the :birdman: face in the background while Rakim raps.

LL was the first rapper to figure out what Michael Jackson and Madonna were doing. You have to constantly reinvent yourself, or else you become stale and get left behind. Each MJ and Madonna album introduced a new sound and LOOK that demanded attention. Consider the hat/glove of the Thriller era, vs the black leather jacket and zippers of the Bad era. Sometimes LL's moves didn't work...but remember even 14 Shots To The Dome, which was largely panned for the faux gangsta shyt, went gold.

With Slick Rick...I saw a somewhat recent GQ video he did, as well as the Drake video appearance. He has the same look. And now of course as a man in his 50s/60s, he looks utterly ridiculous. You can't stay the same in this game, or else you fall off and look stupid (no offense to Slick) A lot of black artists seemed to abandon the MJ model until somewhat recently. Beyonce, Rihanna, Drake (to a degree) and Kendrick have all adopted it in the last decade. Also...Weeknd. Consider the look and sound of his new album, vs the StarBoy era, vs the other stuff. And the way each era introduces a different hair style. That's pure Michael Jackson (and Madonna) shyt.

You made a great point. Hip hop has always valued image and style, especially back then when everything was moving at an accelerated pace. You either kept up with the constantly changing landscape, or you had to step aside for the new school of rappers. Run-D.M.C. learned this the hard way because in 1986, Raising Hell went triple platinum and they were the biggest stars in the world. Their next album came out two years later and sold half that. By 1988, they were already starting to get phased out as the kings. They tried adapting to the times with Back from Hell in 1990, but it was too late and hip hop was done with them. It took them completely rebranding themselves as legacy acts to get their momentum back. They stopped trying to be the kings and embraced being old.

I think it can be boiled down to something as simple as release frequency. KRS and LL came out every year or every other year. BDK, Rakim G Rap took longee breaks in the 90s. BDK came out with Prince of Darkness in like 91', his next album was like 4-5 years later. Rakim took even longer.

Kane wasn't taking that long to release albums. He dropped something every year from 1988-1991. Then he dropped in 1993 and 1994. He didn't take a long break until after the '94 album. His problem was like @Piff Perkins said, he made the wrong moves and appealed to the ladies too much.

Rakim couldn't release anything because Eric B. wasn't signing off on his deal to do a solo album. It was Eric's idea to give the label a Rakim album, an Eric album, and then one last group album so they could get out of their contract. But Eric never gave the clearance to the label that he was done with his solo album, because they were only handing out the budgets one at a time. Because of that, Rakim couldn't go solo, couldn't do shows, couldn't do anything for months and Eric just disappeared.

It took a long time for Rakim to get a solo deal, but if all that didn't take place, he probably would have had multiple albums under his name by 1997 (which is when The 18th Letter came out).
 

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I used to think like this but now realize I was wrong. Appealing to a wider audience is harder than staying in your lane and "keeping it real". Nas sold how much with IWW compared to Illmatic? He grew financially and became more well known. If he would have stayed comfy he would be OC status right now. You have to progress not remain stagnant.
Nas was pretty bad at doing shows back then. Instead of working on that aspect to make more money he went commercial way. It is what it is, plenty of emcess sell out at some point of their careers. I don't believe he would be OC status. Nas with his debut album already inspired a big amount of emcees. Wave riding to appeal to bigger audience isn't that difficult when you are so talented like Nas.
 

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Tbh I never really got into KRS until I got into my 30s. I always knew about him and respected him but never really dug deep into his music. I always thought that 80s sound was dated. I’m glad I came around and gave it a chance because he’s got a lot of classic material
 
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I must have purchased S&V three times. Someone stole it the first time, box damaged the cassette beyond repair the second time and I think the last one was a CD I lost when I got drunk one night.

RIP to Calvin when he snuff that dude, running at the mouth, right after KRS said "Duck Down" playing in the background.
 
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I used to think like this but now realize I was wrong. Appealing to a wider audience is harder than staying in your lane and "keeping it real". Nas sold how much with IWW compared to Illmatic? He grew financially and became more well known. If he would have stayed comfy he would be OC status right now. You have to progress not remain stagnant.


Nas having faith in Steve Stoute and dropping IWW was one of the smartest decisions in all of Hip Hop history. I can’t BELIEVE people still try to run with the “sellout”’angle when that album is Nas at very best skill wise paired with some of the most cinematic production of the time period. IWW is the reason that Nas can drop an album today and debut within the top ten.
 

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Dr. Dre? Two of the biggest albums in hiphop history. Add Beastie Boys too, some would probably say PE but idk about that one

Anyways point was made, he was one of the top rappers from of the class of the 80s.
 

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In comparison to boogie down production I’m talking about, before the old heads get upset...

Boogie down production had 4 straight gold albums (from 87-92)

then krs broke off and made 4 albums, only 1 went gold (from 93-2001) ..I won’t count whatever he released from ‘02 on because nobody has heard any of that shyt

Did he have a real fanbase? Why did the BDP fans not cross over and support his albums? Were BDP industry plants?

In hindsight, Was his solo career a disappointment? I’m sure the labels were thinking he’d have the same success when he was technically part of a group

let’s talk about it


The sales were already declining for BDP in 1992. Sex and Violence did not go gold. It had nothing to do with being under the BDP or solo banner.

Return of the Boom Bap and his self titled album had similar sales figures

I Got Next went gold. KRS basically admitted that he wanted to prove a point with that album that he could still sell records, and he did several things to ensure it was a more commercial success.

After that, KRS disappeared for a few years and by the time he came back in the 00s, his star was not what it once was. But you can say that about almost any rapper who was popular in the late 80s or early/mid 90s. Few people sold records in the 00s. For example, Wu-Tang was selling over 3 million in 1997 and was barely going gold by 2001.
 
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Easy answer
The nature of the music business
This applies especially in hip hop where everyone is looking for the hottest new product
 

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I don't really differentiate between KRS solo and BDP.

90% of any of those albums is just KRS rhyming solo.
 
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he endorsed the very culture thief faq nikka in puff.
who was completely juxtaposed from what the culture was and initially what we thought krs was about.
that is why,...

he endorsed the very culture thief shyt to where we are now.
just like he hid his hands for bambaata.

I already wrote definitively on this shyt.
go dig in the coli crate.



art barr
Did you write a huge write up in SOHH on the greatness of the greatness of Return of the Boom Bap? Was pages long. If so, props.
 
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