Why did the 5% nation submerge?

[Loud Still Coolin]

they also said he beat his wife.

do u believe all of that?

breh im not judgin dude at all. i never heard about him bein married or beatin his wife either bro. i actually believed he was killed on the way to a girlfriends house.

but nothings wrong with marijiuana check my location. and who doesnt gamble in game of life? i actually clarence cause unlike those before him he was still runnin roun these harlem streets even when the community got wild.

Smart-Dumb nikkas can't really survive on their own.

and this sums it all up

 

[aRoMaN21]

breh im not judgin dude at all. i never heard about him bein married or beatin his wife either bro. i actually believed he was killed on the way to a girlfriends house.

but nothings wrong with marijiuana check my location. and who doesnt gamble in game of life? i actually clarence cause unlike those before him he was still runnin roun these harlem streets even when the community got wild.





and this sums it all up

5% really submerged bc of his death and the fact they smeared his name through out the 70's.
But the 80's and hip hop helped the 5% message get bakk out, but in a different way. Thats a soldier move right there in the 5% camp.
Infiltrate the music to get to the youth...
but the original message taught to these rappers and community was a little off on malcolms message.
5% started cuz Clarence wanted out the NOI but didnt want to be a SUNNI like Malcolm was trying to make him be

 

[DaRealness]

Back in the day I admired some of their teachings, especially reading the From nikkas To Gods book years ago, but the actions of many of the 5%ers I saw and knew made me not take the group very seriously at all. It seemed like they had all the knowledge and could talk the talk, but that was it. If anything, I had more respect for the NOI.

I made a thread a long time ago asking if there was still a big 5% presence because it seems to have lost traction compared to 20 years ago.

Anyway, I posted this video which is probably the earliest 5% footage around:

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

5% really submerged bc of his death and the fact they smeared his name through out the 70's.
But the 80's and hip hop helped the 5% message get bakk out, but in a different way. Thats a soldier move right there in the 5% camp.
Infiltrate the music to get to the youth...
but the original message taught to these rappers and community was a little off on malcolms message.
5% started cuz Clarence wanted out the NOI but didnt want to be a SUNNI like Malcolm was trying to make him be

Nah..

Clarence didnt like INSTITUCIONALIZED RELIGION

And the nation was becoming too bueracratic and didnt have the youth

Also Clarence understood the lessons was based on esoteric sciences like sacred geometry and asiatic freemasomru

Which is why he didnt want anything to do with the RELIGIONOF ISLAM

He knew thr lessons had nothing to with being a muslim

The catechisim was simply a degree structure much like the Asiatic Brethren masonic structure

of which Duse Muhammad Ali and Noble Drew Ali taught FARD and Elijah

Thats why the NOI refrences crossing the hot sands and wearing bow ties

NOI. temples were just shriner temples minus the secrecy

 

[scuba]

Didnt u read my first post when i addressed.the blood situation and how GOD KALIM failed to properly. address it?

Yes the Bloods did have a tremendoua influence..but the root of the problem was ECONOMICS and COINTELPRO

The bloods involved in drug trafficking and pimping provided an economy for alot of street youth in NYC that their werent seeing in the nation

not to mention prison gods found a bond in symbolisim because the 5% and the bloods all come from the same root which is the MOORISH SCIENCE TEMPLE

which had the 5 pointed star hence the whole WHATS POPPING 5 phrase

Plus according to my enlightner OG MACK was studying MOORISH LESSONS prior to his creation of the UBN

I got your points, I just think they are given enough WEIGHT. I think we aren't weighing the fact that a lot of the propagation of 5% ideology happened behind bars and then was widely dispersed.

As for Economics, I think it was the economics of prison life MORE than the economics of the outside that resulted in young thugs going the UBN way.

As far as COINTELPRO I agree, but I see the key step was when it was decided that organizers from prisons with heavy black gang should be housed in NYC area prisons to cut them off from their powerbase. Thats really the documented cause of all the north east prison gangs, supposedly key black organizers were too disruptive in the west and midwest prisons so they were moved to north east prisons where there gangs didnt have power. The supposed idea was to cut the head off from gang body. The reality is they took the key organizers of black prison gangs that had been fighting latin prison gangs for a decade on the west, and put them into a situation where latins had already successfully taken over from black gangs with little opposition because the key organizers (5%) were willing to relinquish control of 'dirty' prison money making enterprises (prison prostitution and hard drugs). To me it always read more like the powers that be needed someone to blunt the power of the east coast latin prison gangs so they moved the exact people who could get east coast black prison gangs organized into a ripe situation.

 

[smahzay]

The bling era tht cash money ushered in destroyed hiphop n subdued that 5% in hip hop...everybody wanted to bling. no substance in musk...just. me....... I............... so the learning n building slows....Nelly is . Known godbody.....but his music doesn't reflect...etc etc etc...

 

[Wild self]

The bling era tht cash money ushered in destroyed hiphop n subdued that 5% in hip hop...everybody wanted to bling. no substance in musk...just. me....... I............... so the learning n building slows....Nelly is . Known godbody.....but his music doesn't reflect...etc etc etc...

97 was the death of the 5%er shyt, right after Wu Tang Forever dropped, people stopped caring for that shyt.

 

[Animal House]

Strong parallel netwern the demise of hip hop and the 5% nation

basically Nas summed it up best in the song I WANNA TALK TO YOU

"We wanna be part of the establishment!"

Basically gods like myself and b boys and rappers wanted to be in the mainstream

and once i got my corporatr gig and had a family i got content just like hip hop and Nas he talked about evil empires like Def Jam but then when ahead and signed to them



So i cant really say the Nation self destricted...people just have selfish motives like myself

Cause at the end pf the day its EACH ONE TEACH ONE

and i should still be out there dropping science

That how i live and what i try to tell everybody i drop some gems to. EACH ONE TEACH ONE

You got a lot of knowledge brotha, have you thought about starting a blog?

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

let me just show my face in here..

peACE

 

[I AM WE ARE]

ive learned alot reading this thread got confused as well cause some of my people are orthodox muslim and some are nation but they say they don't get down with 5% i was never explained why

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

That how i live and what i try to tell everybody i drop some gems to. EACH ONE TEACH ONE

You got a lot of knowledge brotha, have you thought about starting a blog?

Blogging was cool till ur partner mysterioisly finds his hard drive deleted

and you recieve strange phone calls

as well as your neighbors saying suspicious people have been asking about you

NAH IM GOOD

 

[smahzay]

Can i. ask my godbodys a question.....if the powers that run the world (bohemian groove...trial lateral comiision. Etc.etc....) believe in demonic powers n say they worhip Satan ...then who is lying.... BC god bodies says no god/devil . BuT they falies n ffollowers are doing maigik spells and say satan is real....

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

Can i. ask my godbodys a question.....if the powers that run the world (bohemian groove...trial lateral comiision. Etc.etc....) believe in demonic powers n say they worhip Satan ...then who is lying.... BC god bodies says no god/devil . BuT they falies n ffollowers are doing maigik spells and say satan is real....

same notion as in believing in the spook in the sky..

 

[osama bin fly]

ive learned alot reading this thread got confused as well cause some of my people are orthodox muslim and some are nation but they say they don't get down with 5% i was never explained why

because 5%ers call themselves "gods" and Shirk is the biggest sin in Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)

 

[DeuceZ]

what is from God will last..what is from man will pass away...