Why did the Romans get involved with Christianity?

[theworldismine13]

THE ROMAN EMPIRE - FIRST CHRISTIAN EMPEROR 1 OF 3

 

[aRoMaN21]

Nope

chineebai.. instead of quoting your own verbatim... try showing me how and why you think ECONOMY is the reason Constantine liked Christianity.

???

 

[SuikodenII]

Christianity has a foundation in Judaism and true Christianity is a combination of the old testament and the teachings of Jesus.
When he died, the religion and the translations and recollections of what he said got twisted over many years. Everything was written down after the fact. It turned into a bad game of telephone and different types branched out from what they heard and chose to believe.
Constantine constructed and shaped his version of the bible, just like King James did.
The truth is at the root of the beginning of Christianity and that begins with Yeshu'a (jesus).

So...there is no truth to Christianity? Just he say-she say what Jesus said/did?

Is the old testament like that as well?

 

[SuikodenII]

THE ROMAN EMPIRE - FIRST CHRISTIAN EMPEROR 1 OF 3
THE ROMAN EMPIRE - FIRST CHRISTIAN EMPEROR 1 OF 3 - YouTube

I'ma watch this now, this from the history channel?

 

[aRoMaN21]

So...there is no truth to Christianity? Just he say-she say what Jesus said/did?

Is the old testament like that as well?

The Torah, I believe, is cryptic. There is truth, but in a form you have to find on your own by reading other books that analyze the Torah.
The rest of the old testament is truth. All that crazy shyt is true. The lineage of Abraham was all fukkd up but it had a worldwide purpose.
Then you have Jesus showing up and going after all the laws and rules of the Old Testament and trying to explain it to the Jews in the way it was meant to be, but they killed him for it.
THEN, that whole hoopla turned into telephone and you get what you got with the crusades and all that other fukkery.
There is truth to Christianity and the aftermath of Jesus. You have to read the Qur'an and the New Testament, and get your own point of view.

 

[chineebai]

chineebai.. instead of quoting your own verbatim... try showing me how and why you think ECONOMY is the reason Constantine liked Christianity.

???

I quoted myself because that's why I think christianity was invented and placed in rome. Think about the Roman Empire. They were getting bankrupted by bread and circus, aka keeping the slave population happy enough to keep the roman empire going. Most people got free bread and they had entertainment in the colesium. Essentially a welfare state. That was getting too expensive so they came up with a religion, that basically says you must follow these rules and suffer now, be good loyal subjects to god and then maybe if you're good, then in the afterlife you'll get rewarded.

Read the original commandments, not the 10 bs commandments people know now, it is saying you can have slaves, you must expand the state's border by any means necessary, it condones taxation, basically being a subject of the roman empire aka god.

 

[aRoMaN21]

I quoted myself because that's why I think christianity was invented and placed in rome. Think about the Roman Empire. They were getting bankrupted by bread and circus, aka keeping the slave population happy enough to keep the roman empire going. Most people got free bread and they had entertainment in the colesium. Essentially a welfare state. That was getting too expensive so they came up with a religion, that basically says you must follow these rules and suffer now, be good loyal subjects to god and then maybe if you're good, then in the afterlife you'll get rewarded.

Read the original commandments, not the 10 bs commandments people know now, it is saying you can have slaves, you must expand the state's border by any means necessary, it condones taxation, basically being a subject of the roman empire aka god.

First, instead of replying to me you should be listening or watching the video posted above. It wouldn't hurt.

Second, I'm sorry, but if Constantine hadn't had an experience that made him change his thought process on ROMAN Gods, there would have been no ACCEPTANCE to that religion... not this coming up shyt youre talking about.
Your implying Christianity never existed and he made it up to people who didn't know about it.
I think you don't know your periods of when amusement was at its peak in the culture.





and wtf are these original commandments about war and slaves and taxation?? Did moses know about this? you seem to know so much.

 

[aRoMaN21]

]THE GOOD FROM THE EDICT OF MILAN

It became acceptable to be a Christian, especially since the emperor himself professed to be a Christian.

Christianity raised the moral tone of society so that the dignity of women was given more recognition in society.

Christianity put an end to gladiatorial shows.

Christianity did not eliminate slavery, but it helped slaves receive milder treatment from their owners.

Christianity helped Roman legislation become more just.

Christianity made the spread of missionary work in the empire easier, for now Christians were welcomed.

Christianity brought the keeping of the Lord's Day, Sunday, as a day of rest and worship throughout the empire.

December 25 was set aside as the day to worship the birth of Christ.

 

[Broke Wave]

@ Aroman theres no definitive way to determine the thought process of any historical figure, especially one as antiquated as a 4th century Roman Emperor, however we should consider the plausibility of certain scenarios and determine using our own reason which of these scenarios is most likely.


Scenario 1 : Constantine, being a pragmatic Roman Emperor, who split the empire between east and west, needed something to bind his empire and saw Christianity as unoffensive to his Mithra-ism and decided to adopt it for political reasons.

Scenario 2 : He saw a magical cross on a bridge one day and saw the light about the Lord Jesus Christ and became a born again Christian.



Those are the two scenarios that exist, which of those do you think happened?

 

[aRoMaN21]

Licinius is the one who split the empire. Christianity already binded it and Licinius got jealous because Constantine was being regarded to as a Savior. Licinius got his Lucifer on and tried ruining what was binded. He learned his lesson when ! Constantine went to war and sonned him. Took his land and reigned supreme.
ALL BECAUSE HE BELIEVED IN JESUS.

Stop acting like him seeing a fukkin cross in the sky is so wrong and impossible.
That made him change his thought process.

Constantine felt that the God of the Christians had helped him win the battle. He therefore made his profession of being a Christian. Constantine's favoritism toward the church may have been just a matter of expediency so that the church might serve as a new center of unity and save the classical culture and the empire, which was then crumbling. Only God knows whether Constantine was truly saved. Perhaps there was a mixture of superstition and expediency in his policy towards the church. Constantine delayed his baptism until just before death and kept the position of Pontifex Maximus, chief priest of the pagan state religion. Also, he executed every young man who might have had a claim to the throne. These things might indicate that he was not truly a saved man.

There is a definitive way of knowing thought processes' of historical figures. It's called going to the library and reading books.

 

[chineebai]

First, instead of replying to me you should be listening or watching the video posted above. It wouldn't hurt.

Second, I'm sorry, but if Constantine hadn't had an experience that made him change his thought process on ROMAN Gods, there would have been no ACCEPTANCE to that religion... not this coming up shyt youre talking about.
Your implying Christianity never existed and he made it up to people who didn't know about it.
I think you don't know your periods of when amusement was at its peak in the culture.





and wtf are these original commandments about war and slaves and taxation?? Did moses know about this? you seem to know so much.

Christianity in Rome happened in 3 steps, clearing out jerusalem, burning of rome, then costantine, It was planned out since julius caesar and carried out over time. You're so caught up into thinking costantine saw a cross in the sky lol

 

[theworldismine13]

@ Aroman theres no definitive way to determine the thought process of any historical figure, especially one as antiquated as a 4th century Roman Emperor, however we should consider the plausibility of certain scenarios and determine using our own reason which of these scenarios is most likely.


Scenario 1 : Constantine, being a pragmatic Roman Emperor, who split the empire between east and west, needed something to bind his empire and saw Christianity as unoffensive to his Mithra-ism and decided to adopt it for political reasons.

Scenario 2 : He saw a magical cross on a bridge one day and saw the light about the Lord Jesus Christ and became a born again Christian.



Those are the two scenarios that exist, which of those do you think happened?

those scenarios arent mutually exclusive, they can both be true and as far as i know they both are true

 

[Broke Wave]

Licinius is the one who split the empire. Christianity already binded it and Licinius got jealous because Constantine was being regarded to as a Savior. Licinius got his Lucifer on and tried ruining what was binded. He learned his lesson when ! Constantine went to war and sonned him. Took his land and reigned supreme.
ALL BECAUSE HE BELIEVED IN JESUS.

Stop acting like him seeing a fukkin cross in the sky is so wrong and impossible.
That made him change his thought process.


There is a definitive way of knowing thought processes' of historical figures. It's called going to the library and reading books.

Yeah I'm the crazy one.

You're taking the words and intentions of a Roman Emperor to be sincere and at face value; I'm supposing that they have ulterior motives. Constantine made the capital so stop with the semantics, Licinius actually didn't even divide the empire it was Diocletian.

As far as this being "impossible" I didn't say it was or wasn't. For all I know he saw a cross and Jesus Christ resonated into his brain and he chose to become a Christian because he loved the lord and was a righteous man.

Or, he was a pragmatic Roman Emperor.

 

[SuikodenII]

The Torah, I believe, is cryptic. There is truth, but in a form you have to find on your own by reading other books that analyze the Torah.
The rest of the old testament is truth. All that crazy shyt is true. The lineage of Abraham was all fukkd up but it had a worldwide purpose.
Then you have Jesus showing up and going after all the laws and rules of the Old Testament and trying to explain it to the Jews in the way it was meant to be, but they killed him for it.
THEN, that whole hoopla turned into telephone and you get what you got with the crusades and all that other fukkery.
There is truth to Christianity and the aftermath of Jesus. You have to read the Qur'an and the New Testament, and get your own point of view.

Like what, I'm confused.

 

[theworldismine13]

I'ma watch this now, this from the history channel?

i think so, that youtube channel has a lot of good stuff