Why do people act like rap before 1994 doesn't exist?

[Eastside Get The Money]

There's innovators and then there's GOATS. Sans Rakim, everyone you listed can't compete with some of the spitters from later generations. They paved the way tho.

Kinda like basketball. George Gervin was great, but he can't mess with the boy KD.

If you know you know

 

[RegB]

On a mainstream level NWA, Too Short, Ice Cube, Snoop, and to a lesser extent Tribe, maybe Scarface too all still get love to this day off top, theres probably more I'm forgetting..

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Love this thread.

 

[mortuus est]

Love this thread.

i dont, shyt gets made every couple of months

the 90s is the golden age , period , we all know this

depending on who you talk to or debate with about the history of hiphop you'll get different answers
the universal names that always get mentioned will always be nas, 2pac, biggie, maybe even eminem

depending on your age and awareness of rap history then you will get more people saying names like rakim, krs, biz markie, big daddy kane, etc etc

its an age thing

 

[CrimsonTider]

Most hip hop fans grew up in the 90’s

Most hiphop fans didn’t grow up in the 90s

Most fans that think the 90s is some sort of golden era grew up in the 90s

 

[CrimsonTider]

So realistically, people who only know about their era and nothing before it, should probably NOT be having "GOAT" conversations... cause in order to speak on "all-time", you gotta acknowledge "all-time".

Dapping this wasn't enough. This irks me in general, and it goes for anything. How can you talk about Greatest of All Time anything when you aren't even aware of all the candidates? And you have people chime in on "Who/which is better, X or Y" questions who say, "Well, I don't know X, so I'll choose Y because that's the one I know."

Huh? If you don't know X and Y then how can you comment on which one is better? Most people should just stick to talking about favorites, since by definition that's only talking about what you've been exposed to. But, of course, they don't.

It’s all based on opinion and bias anyway

If you are really bothered by who someone proclaimed is the best then you’re a loser and that’s not just rap. Politics, video games sports anything

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

The early 90s establishes the beginning of the commercial rap music industry, based
on the sales of recordings by rappers (formally know as emcees).

The 1970s - late 1980s is the time of the original Hip Hop Era, beginning with deejays and live partying
as the primary component for the culture.

By 1993, the crack trade/crime becomes the main cultural influencer in rap.

1970s/early 80s: "Throw Your Hands In The Air"

1993: "Throw Ya Gunz In The Air"

 

[shopthatwrecks]

When 1990-94 was here trust me they let us know it existed

 

[DaveyDave]

this outside a few greats most of that era did not age well

I can still listen to Cube, Kane, Slick Rick and Ra but I wish to death some of their music could be remixed

but I still think it's blasphemy when people forget about cats like Cube and Ra to talk about a fukking Eminem in a top 5. Go slap your mother if you that stupid. Eminem doesn't have 1 album touching Eric B and Rakims shyts. or cubes first 2 solos.

why would you want them remixed? do you mean remastered? a lot of the old albums have been, not sure if they've been done very well but they're usually the ones you get these days if you buy a cd.

 

[ShaDynasty]

When I was a teenager the 80s was old school, now the 90s is old school. Pretty soon Lil' B and Odd Future will be considered old school.

The circle of life.

 

[L. Deezy]

As time goes on rappers like Rakim, Cube, Kane, LL Cool J, G Rap, Chuck D, and KRS get no love in the goat talk. Some of the biggest contributors to the culture no longer get love as time goes on. Soon that late 80s era will be totally forgotten. Hip hop will begin with 2pac and Biggie then go from there. I think other rappers and crews in-between will start to get lost in the sauce as well. Do dudes really remember how dope Redman used be? When people talk about the best group they rarely mention A tribe called quest...it's always OutKast.

i listen to 80's rap all the time. But rap is 40yrs old now. some of its stars history is gonna fade from first thought naturally.

Thats with any genre. People who grew up on it still listen.

 

[L. Deezy]

Because 80s babies have a unique appreciation for the culture and equate their perspective w/ everyone elses (youngins). I'm old enough to remember "The Humpty Dance" when I was kid. I remember "Mama Said Knockout" or Tribe (early 90s shyt) gettin blasted at cookouts during my childhood. Witnessed the golden age of West Coast hip-hop (The Chronic...Snoop..Cube)...Pac and BIG...the birth of Wu....Mobb Deep..Pun...Nas..Bad Boy...X...Jay....50. The east coast golden era....

A lot of 90's artists we grew up on...paid homage to their 80s forefathers by shoutin em out or flipping their tracks...so we had a point of reference and knew of the Rakims or Kool G Raps.

The issue is...the bulk of rap fans from our generation equate the perception of what we've witnessed to what these lil nggas know and see today... which are 2 totally different things.

A lot of the earliest hip hop heads...basically abandoned the culture once it leftthe "hippity hop..." era whereas we grew up on the drugs...guns...violence aspect of rap. The content hasn't changed much from the 90s to now. Just the calibur and pedigree of artists....

Point is...the late 80s and early 90s was a long ass time ago...and might as well be the 50s and 60s to these young nggas now... Rakim might as well be Elvis status as far as their concerned.

whereas millennials and xers still equate that 80s shyt to....

in our heads and shyt we grew up on which doesnt seem so far removed (but it is)...


The young Bois today came up seein Lil Jon and D4L as their Sugar Hill Gang...and everything thereafter...

Much hasn't changed since the south and Drake took over. These are young nggas points of reference and all they've ever known...

90s might as well be dead to them.

The point is.. hip hop (like rock before it) has grown.....

just to touch on a portion of this. it was much easier for 90's rappers to shout out who came before them tho. for the most part, they were only 5 or 6 yrs their Juniors...

Like I dont really expect todays rappers to shout out 80s rappers who didnt influence them directly. In anything, you gonna have the students, the history buffs who wanna know. shout out to them

 

[Zero]

A bigger crime is how anything good that came out in the late 90s is overshadowed by the shiny suit era but that's another thread

 

[DatNkkaCutty]

just to touch on a portion of this. it was much easier for 90's rappers to shout out who came before them tho. for the most part, they were only 5 or 6 yrs their Juniors...

Like I dont really expect todays rappers to shout out 80s rappers who didnt influence them directly. In anything, you gonna have the students, the history buffs who wanna know. shout out to them

Agreed

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

why would you want them remixed? do you mean remastered? a lot of the old albums have been, not sure if they've been done very well but they're usually the ones you get these days if you buy a cd.

I mean what I said. old vocals over new tracks to give them new life. I already have remasters of the shyt I like.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend 80's rap is not sonically dated for nostalgic purposes . Only a few albums stand the test of time. Sonically NWA does for example. Their music could bang right next to albums today.