Why do people act like rap before 1994 doesn't exist?

[Kaydigi]

Prodigy and alchemist bodied this shyt



Almost crashed the whip first time it came on

 

[DANJ!]

I mean what I said. old vocals over new tracks to give them new life. I already have remasters of the shyt I like.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend 80's rap is not sonically dated for nostalgic purposes . Only a few albums stand the test of time. Sonically NWA does for example. Their music could bang right next to albums today.

That's perception... there's people who love NWA because of the treatment they've gotten as an iconic group of their era, so they're able to ignore that they're from the 80s... whereas many other acts from that era who were also making great music haven't gotten that same kinda canonization. Same way people love everything Michael Jackson did cause it's Michael Jackson, but will put most other 80s R&B in a box and not listen to it. Of course, music from the 80s isn't gonna sound like what we got later, just like 70s music doesnt sound like the 80s and so on... but to me that's why I like all the different eras- they all have their own things/sounds/styles/trends etc.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

That's perception... there's people who love NWA because of the treatment they've gotten as an iconic group of their era, so they're able to ignore that they're from the 80s... whereas many other acts from that era who were also making great music haven't gotten that same kinda canonization. Same way people love everything Michael Jackson did cause it's Michael Jackson, but will put most other 80s R&B in a box and not listen to it. Of course, music from the 80s isn't gonna sound like what we got later, just like 70s music doesnt sound like the 80s and so on... but to me that's why I like all the different eras- they all have their own things/sounds/styles/trends etc.

sonic fidelity is not a perception based quality, it's not an opinion it can be heard and measured.. there are a lot of things in music that are subjective but not quality of sound.

I mentioned NWA to say their albums can hang sonically with modern music.

 

[Sir Brehsington]

I aint never heard one nikka come out saying Fukk Kurtis Blow, Run DMC, or Slick Rick on a record or a interview like nikkas do today on some troll shyt. If they dropped wack records then they were chastized for that but we never heard Naughty by Nature say Fukk Chuck D or none of that.



LL didnt get phased out. He was getting respect from the young bulls for putting on tracks like I Shot Ya and 4,3,2,1. He dropped a dud but he finished the 90s strong.

Kool G Rap was embraced by Big Pun

Mobb Deep put Rakim on Hoodlum

Channel Zero put KRS on their joint

Run DMC always got respect as pioneers and Queens Day was a prime example

Tragedy Khadafi was embraced by Mobb and CNN

Most of that shyt came from fans themselves never the rappers.

Channel Zero though?

Other than that, good points.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

8Os was goat for hip hop

Biz
Kane
Heavy d
Epmd
Public enemy
Run dmc
Ultra magnetic
De la soul
Africa bambata
Planet patrol
Utfo
Eric b and rakim
Jazzy jeff and the fresh prince
Fat boys
Etc..

 

[KillKenny]

The youngest professional nba player was 18 years old plus. Hip hop was 18 in 1991, so some of the art before that was amazing (and might be my personal favourite), but of course everything evolved in the early 90's.
Btw those who really stayed relevant after that with new music are still mentioned in the goat discussions

 

[DaveyDave]

I mean what I said. old vocals over new tracks to give them new life. I already have remasters of the shyt I like.

I'm not going to sit here and pretend 80's rap is not sonically dated for nostalgic purposes . Only a few albums stand the test of time. Sonically NWA does for example. Their music could bang right next to albums today.

that defeats the purpose of listening to 80s hip hop. It has its own style and sound. Why would you want to replace the bears on AMW or Make The Music Woth Your Mouth or Public Enemy. There’s so many styles and techniques that cake from that time that they still use today how could you want to replace it

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

that defeats the purpose of listening to 80s hip hop. It has its own style and sound. Why would you want to replace the bears on AMW or Make The Music Woth Your Mouth or Public Enemy. There’s so many styles and techniques that cake from that time that they still use today how could you want to replace it

I don't want to replace them and remixing is a part of the culture.

One of my fav albums is the art of story telling and outside of the major songs on that album I dunno if brehs really was listening but it's the same beat on most of those songs. same shaker same drums and you can really tell Slick Rick was making due. Rick is the perfect example of someone who's vocals don't sound dated and his shyt could live again with some modern wizadry. Some acapella releases for the beat junkies to fukk with.

 

[truth2you]

sonic fidelity is not a perception based quality, it's not an opinion it can be heard and measured.. there are a lot of things in music that are subjective but not quality of sound.

I mentioned NWA to say their albums can hang sonically with modern music.

In that case, 80's music can relate more to now then the 90's, because that is when everyone was using electronic equipment. The only difference is music is mastered more loud now, but everything else is the same. People just don't want to, or even know, about 80's music. People into other genres do, because I was just watching "i love the 80's" on mtv classic on direct tv, so I'm sure young people are looking at it also.

The 90's is when the sound went back to natural instruments, because of all the sampling. People remember the 90's, because that is when rap got gangsta, and everyone sees hip hop as gangsta shyt now, that is all they know. It's older people's fault because they forgot the 80's as well, so their kids don't know the music. Let's be real, though, a lot of older people wasn't even into rap until the 90's. I remember

I always play some type of 80's rap when i'm around younger people. I put my younger cousin onto the fat boys' "The fat boys", and he liked it!

 

[god shamgod]

Death Certificate & Low End Theory are top 5 hip hop albums of all time imo and dc dropped in '91 low end theory '92

I also came up(high school/teenage years) in the 90's

 

[DaveyDave]

In that case, 80's music can relate more to now then the 90's, because that is when everyone was using electronic equipment. The only difference is music is mastered more loud now, but everything else is the same. People just don't want to, or even know, about 80's music. People into other genres do, because I was just watching "i love the 80's" on mtv classic on direct tv, so I'm sure young people are looking at it also.

The 90's is when the sound went back to natural instruments, because of all the sampling. People remember the 90's, because that is when rap got gangsta, and everyone sees hip hop as gangsta shyt now, that is all they know. It's older people's fault because they forgot the 80's as well, so their kids don't know the music. Let's be real, though, a lot of older people wasn't even into rap until the 90's. I remember

I always play some type of 80's rap when i'm around younger people. I put my younger cousin onto the fat boys' "The fat boys", and he liked it!

The live for the 80s in mainstream culture right now is just because that’s the age group we’re at now. Everything retro becomes cool again, there’s always a trend where music especially but also TV and Movies go back 20-30 years and it becomes “cool” to like it. Think of how many tv shows and movies from the 80s have been remade or made into another type of media. I think most of Marvels success comes from kids from the 80s and 90s growing up with a lot of these characters in comics and on tv cartoon shows. Transformers?

It’s happening a bit now for the early 90s as well kids wearing Nirvana shirts and shyt but they don’t know any songs except Smells Like Teen Spirit

 

[truth2you]

The live for the 80s in mainstream culture right now is just because that’s the age group we’re at now. Everything retro becomes cool again, there’s always a trend where music especially but also TV and Movies go back 20-30 years and it becomes “cool” to like it. Think of how many tv shows and movies from the 80s have been remade or made into another type of media. I think most of Marvels success comes from kids from the 80s and 90s growing up with a lot of these characters in comics and on tv cartoon shows. Transformers?

It’s happening a bit now for the early 90s as well kids wearing Nirvana shirts and shyt but they don’t know any songs except Smells Like Teen Spirit

That's true to an extent. A lot of the movies is because nothing new is being made that has quality so companies go back to what works, but that is industry driven not really grassroots driven. Around 2008-2010, it was about the 80's, but they only focused on the late 80's. I'm talking when people started wearing skinny jeans, and rocking flat tops, and the older people encouraged it. That's because those people weren't into hip hop before that time. I remember when only certain people were into rap music, Especially females, and most females are the ones who are playing the music around their children most of the time, not the father.

 

[DaveyDave]

That's true to an extent. A lot of the movies is because nothing new is being made that has quality so companies go back to what works, but that is industry driven not really grassroots driven. Around 2008-2010, it was about the 80's, but they only focused on the late 80's. I'm talking when people started wearing skinny jeans, and rocking flat tops, and the older people encouraged it. That's because those people weren't into hip hop before that time. I remember when only certain people were into rap music, Especially females, and most females are the ones who are playing the music around their children most of the time, not the father.

I remember a bit of that fashion shift as well in the late 2000’s. The mainstream is only ever going to “remember” the popular stuff. You don’t see Treacherous Three shirts at Kmart but there’s Run DMC and Bob Marley. I remember back when Hip Hop was only for certain people, the cds/tapes only took up one rack at the store or even just one or 2 shelves. I remember everyone saying I “want to be black” and I listen to “that nikka rap shyt” and all that. It’s come a long way and most of those same people listened or still listen to Eminem, and the other popular stuff but they “don’t like that rap shyt” they don’t realise how much it has taken over every other style of music they listen to.

 

[Regular_P]

94? More like 92 (even 1988 in the case of NWA).

I think there was a sea change from the late 80s to early 90s where songs started aging better and are more likely to be considered good by today's standards.

Them dry ass static ass beats don't knock in the whip. Drums be uncompressed unlayered with some clarinet and white noise looped in the background. Flow sounding like a sesame Street countdown

So much this. We have some rap purists/enthusiasts on here so they'll argue to the death about the music but the vast majority of rap pre-Chronic does not hold up very well and has not aged gracefully. We can put the nostalgia glasses on and appreciate how far we've come but the rappers of the 90s raised the bar from five feet to a skyscraper.

This is a classic:



but that doesn't hold a candle to this beat-wise:



It's like the NBA before Jordan. We appreciate the progress in the game before he played but nothing was the same after he was drafted.

 

[mobbinfms]

So much this. We have some rap purists/enthusiasts on here so they'll argue to the death about the music but the vast majority of rap pre-Chronic does not hold up very well and has not aged gracefully. We can put the nostalgia glasses on and appreciate how far we've come but the rappers of the 90s raised the bar from five feet to a skyscraper.

This is a classic:



but that doesn't hold a candle to this beat-wise:



It's like the NBA before Jordan. We appreciate the progress in the game before he played but nothing was the same after he was drafted.

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We shytting on Paid in Full now? :PPicard: