OfTheCross
Veteran
I honestly don't think that's the case, as a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure there's a law that protects staff from being fired for political purposes...I remember hearing something about Trump trying to break that law
Why do Public Sector unions exist?
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I honestly don't think that's the case, as a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure there's a law that protects staff from being fired for political purposes...I remember hearing something about Trump trying to break that law
GnauzBookOfRhymes
Superstar
You're wrong breh. Happens all the time.
OfTheCross
Veteran
There are definitely some politically appointed positions. But the minions that do the work don't get let go. The new heads just gotta deal with them. Hell, the Trump Administration was a perfect example of that. A lot of news was leaked by subordinates etc, because they don't get fired like that.
the cac mamba
Banned
its not volunteer work, but government workers arent special either. they can have a 401k like the rest of us
theres nothing honorable about unions extorting their local taxpayers
as has been mentioned in here, they arent negotiating for a bigger cut of the CEOs salary. theyre negotiating to raise local property taxes to fund their retirements 
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
its not volunteer work, but government workers arent special either. they can have a 401k like the rest of us
theres nothing honorable about unions extorting their local taxpayers
You almost sound like the Cac Mamba from the Obama years?
Also, I am not saying that unions can’t be exploitive, I just know a lack of unions means it’s a lot more likely the workers will be the ones exploited.
the cac mamba
Banned
im not anti union. id rather we have unions than no unions. no unions = the entire country is walmart statusYou almost sound like the Cac Mamba from the Obama years?
Also, I am not saying that unions can’t be exploitive, I just know a lack of unions means it’s a lot more likely the workers will be the ones exploited.
but we cant just ignore that public unions are bankrupting ny, nj, il, ct and ca. its the middle class paying for it
and for the record, my parents are both teachers. my dad opted out of the teachers union tho
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
im not anti union. id rather we have unions than no unions. no unions = the entire country is walmart status
but we cant just ignore that public unions are bankrupting ny, nj, il, ct and ca. its the middle class paying for it
and for the record, my parents are both teachers. my dad opted out of the teachers union tho
You just got to be smart about it and at the same time keep unions out of staff positions. Administrative unions by default will lead to unfavorable terms for tax payers because the administrators control budget allocation.
I wrote a paper on Philadelphia being bankrupted by unions because they gave themselves the sweetest deal I think in history. Nobody was there to stop them. No one was watching the watchers. Management was the union.
Flipside line workers (teachers, nurses, police, firefighters, etc) definitely need unions and just like regular workers in for profit companies. They should fight for their benefits. They provide a service and should be awarded based on the market. The staff should on the flip side do their best to limit benefits for a lower cost to the public. Where they two parties negotiation ends and they find acceptable terms, will have to be acceptable to the public who pays taxes to cover the cost.
If we believe the government can be oppressive, why wouldn't we also believe their workers deserve protections?
Rell Lauren
Banned
Because they're workers. 
As a worker, you should have some democratic say in your work.
As a worker, you should have some democratic say in your work.
How are they "extorting taxpayers?" Requesting higher wages for your work, is not "extortion." Considering how low teacher and social worker salaries are, precisely what is the issue?its not volunteer work, but government workers arent special either. they can have a 401k like the rest of us
theres nothing honorable about unions extorting their local taxpayers
The unions aren't "bankrupting" any state, I'm still confused by how this clearly absurd narrative was able to drill into common parlance. Especially since its a narrative that was created by right-wing think tanksim not anti union. id rather we have unions than no unions. no unions = the entire country is walmart status
but we cant just ignore that public unions are bankrupting ny, nj, il, ct and ca. its the middle class paying for it
and for the record, my parents are both teachers. my dad opted out of the teachers union tho
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
They're looking for a scapegoatThe unions aren't "bankrupting" any state, I'm still confused by how this clearly absurd narrative was able to drill into common parlance. Especially since its a narrative that was created by right-wing think tanks
Question should be why don't more private sector unions exist. Unions are responsible for a large portion of the middle class and some of you want to have them killed. 
First stimulus 6 trillion dollars, 4 went to corporations. Why don't you jerkoffs worry about that piece of the pie.
Lol at fighting public unions. I love how when people get fukked they snitch on someone else hoping everyone gets fukked instead of fukking the one that fukked you in the first place.
Edit: I just read cac mambas teacher parent quit the union. Bro this guy's a retard and an agent.
Lol at fighting public unions. I love how when people get fukked they snitch on someone else hoping everyone gets fukked instead of fukking the one that fukked you in the first place.
Edit: I just read cac mambas teacher parent quit the union. Bro this guy's a retard and an agent.
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