Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Pretty sure I birthed this thread with a couple of my posts in another thread...and I'm afraid the OP won't be able to do the argument justice...so here are the pertinent portions
And obviously these aren't literally the same exact people (dudes that were wide-eyed pre-teens and teens and loved Big and Pac back then, obviously still love them now)...just their symbolic and spiritual successors that hold basically the same sentiment, but lack the sense of perspective to see how it's just the same shyt repeating itself like a cycle...essentially the conservative far right wing of hip hop
Also the "real hip hop son!" crowd =/= the core hip-hop audience....the "real hip hop son!" crowd is actually a small, vocal minority contingent of the core hip hop populace that likes to pretend they have sole ownership of hip hop...but actually lost that war way back in the mid-90's ("I USED to Love Her", ironically enough being one of their theme songs in the same vein "Dixieland" is beloved by Confederate loyalists over a century after the south lost the Civil War)...they were the crowd hating on Biggie for the "Big Willy-ism" or whatever back then...hating on Jay-Z and Cash Money and DMX in the late 90's and so on so forth....since they lost the Hip Hop Culture Wars way back in the Biggie/Tupac days, they've been largely marginalized and don't really have much sway as to the direction of hip hop or what's actually the most impactful acts in the game...other than echo chambers of perpetual complaint on various corners of the internet...the backlash from those types towards Drake for example, has meant something very closely approximating not a goddamned thing...he's still been one of the singular defining figures in hip hop for years now...which is something Common has never approached being at any point of his career and what I meant by standing
The ACTUAL core hip hop audience = all of the lil subset fanbases of hip hop culture put together...so in theory the "real hip hop son!" crowd isn't the entirety of hip hop's base anymore than "southern trap rap" or "west coast gangsta rap" fans...in practical terms, they prolly hold less sway than trap just based on recent rap trends, but slightly besides the point....
The core as you're describing it (the "real hip hop son!" crowd), absolutely did lose the war...acts that were being vilified as killing hip hop by that crowd back then....see: Dr. Dre, Pac, Ice Cube and pretty much the entirety of West Coast Gangsta Rap that Common decried on I USED to Love and Biggie and later his symbolic successor Jay-Z and the entirety of East Coast Flossy Big Willy-ism as attacked by Jeru, BCC and mocked by The Roots....have been now been exalted as hip hop's most holy and iconic figures...people pretend like they were never under fire as the big bad mainstream acts and universally loved, retroactively making them saints in "real hip hop son!' mythology on some Catholic Church tricknology type shyt and just apply that same sentiment to the newer acts making their mark on the current scene (and it's a perpetual process...the real hip hop heads used to crucify Cash Money when they first blew, now all we hear is how much of a classic 400 Degreez and how Mannie Fresh is untouchable rap legend)...but it's a wrap, that shyt has been out the window...commerce didn't win over art and integrity as much as it became embraced as one of the factors, though not the only one...the corporations dont have more sway than the actual hip hop populace, to me that's just an excuse as to when people don't agree with who the populace has actually chosen...no amount of corporate push is gonna make hip hop go crazy and wild when Macklemore or Flo Rida drops a random remix verse
And obviously these aren't literally the same exact people (dudes that were wide-eyed pre-teens and teens and loved Big and Pac back then, obviously still love them now)...just their symbolic and spiritual successors that hold basically the same sentiment, but lack the sense of perspective to see how it's just the same shyt repeating itself like a cycle...essentially the conservative far right wing of hip hop
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at the pretentious arrogance you displayed as you passive aggressively dimissed OP as a dumb n1gga
Capital letter and all huh? Like Nas made us forget about BIG right after he died or some shiht fucc outta here shyt was damn near 3 years after big died. You get another
neither was we.