Why do so many people on Twitter HATE Bernie?

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Nah I just know what hacking means. If I'm using the coli, and the creator of the site made all your personal information public, I'm not wrong for being able to see your information by clicking on your name through normal use of the site. You should bytch to cook for fukking up.

If you have an issue with them actually using the data fine. But this is politics and I would fully expect the Clinton campaign to do the same if due to some bad programming all the Sanders data was visible. I'm not going act aghast at this.

No "hacking" took place.

Anyone denying the NGP VAN HACK is a LIAR.

You can't hide it anymore.

No one wants to ask what the fukk Tad Devine was doing this whole time.

Tad Devine knew Sanders for a DECADE at that point Sanders decides to run for president. Tad Devine helped Sanders 2006 senate run.

And this is the same time ...literally....Tad Devine is working with Manafort.

We MUST know if any of that hacked POLLING DATA from Hillary Clinton data in 2015 ended up in Manafort's hands...in addition to the russia email hack!

THIS IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE "ACTIVE MEASURES" MOVIE EVERYONE LOVED...



NAH BRUH....TAD DEVINE ALONE SHOULD SINK SANDERS JUST LIKE MANAFORT IS SINKING TRUMP


SANDERS GOT PUNISHED FOR HACKING HILLARY'S VOTER EMAIL THEN TRIED TO B!TCH AND MOAN ABOUT IT!!!

THEY EXPORTED DATA AS SHOWN BY THE LOGS!


How did JOSH URETSKY (the Sanders staffer who did the hack) KNOW ABOUT THE ZERO-DAY EXPLOIT? They planned to have FOUR people do the hack within the span of an HOUR!

Thats COORDINATION TO STEAL INFORMATION:




The actual DNC staffer says this is BS and that there was an actual devastating data breach!

Amy Dacey was the CEO of the Democratic National Committee:


As a result of this analysis, NGP VAN found that campaign staff on the Sanders campaign, including the campaign’s national data director, had accessed proprietary information about which voters were being targeted by the Clinton campaign — and in doing so violated their agreements with the DNC.

These staffers then saved this information in their personal folders on the system, and over the course of the next day, we learned that at least one staffer appeared to have generated reports and exported them from the system.

None of this is in dispute. It’s fully documented in the system logs. And these details reveal nothing less than a serious violation of the agreements governing the use of this data. Underscoring that fact is the point that the Sanders campaign has fired their national data director and indicated further disciplinary actions may be taken pending the results of their own investigation.

When we understood what initially happened, we asked the Sanders campaign to tell us who exactly accessed Hillary for America information, share their understanding of what data was accessed, describe what was done with that information, and detail how the campaign intended to discipline the staffers involved.

On Thursday, further NGP VAN analysis revealed that it was very likely that a user had taken data out of the system during the breach. Upon learning that, the DNC had to suspend the Sanders campaign’s access to the voter file to ensure the integrity of the system. This action was not taken to punish the Sanders campaign — it was necessary to ensure that the Sanders campaign took appropriate steps to resolve the issue and wasn’t unfairly using another campaign’s data. This temporary suspension was well within the DNC’s authority. Moreover, the DNC was left with little choice in the matter when the Sanders campaign declined to respond in a timely manner to the requests for assistance with an investigation.

The question is....how did this Russian American dude working for Tad Devine's run campaign JOSH URETSKY learn about the 0-day???



Even subsequent reporting revealed that there was a much more serious breach: www.time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 lists—consisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaign’s database—and saved them to their personal folders.

The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.

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In addition, the Sanders campaign has said that it did not download or retain any of the Clinton campaign’s data, and Weaver reiterated that claim on Friday afternoon at a press conference in Washington. “This campaign does not possess any data, does not retain any data and does not want any data,” said Weaver.


But the records from the NGP VAN software indicate that Sanders staffers did in fact save data to its own folders.


Read this more detailed break down:



Aye...I forgot...you know who got fired from the Sanders campaign for hacking hillary in 2015?

A RUSSIAN-AMERICAN!

Josh Uretsky: Fired Bernie Sanders aide: I wasn't peeking at Hillary Clinton data files - CNNPolitics




 

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My issue here is that It seems you want it both ways. When he voted for the Crime Bill it's because "It was going to pass anyway." But when he voted against sanctions it was, "well, the bill passed anyway." :hula: Either his votes are on principle or we shouldn't hold him accountable because it didn't affect the outcome. Not both.
You're not getting the argument right. First off, it's low IQ as hell to claim "either every vote has to be on principle or no vote is ever on principle". The world isn't black-and-white like that, sometimes you compromise and sometimes you don't.

But that's not even the issue here. The question is whether he's some sort of "pro-Russian agent", which is far too low-IQ for someone like you to even consider. And to answer that question, you'd have to explain WHY Bernie being a pro-Russian agent would lead him to skip a vote like that. You have no explanation for it. It wouldn't make any sense. Bernie skipping that vote while publicly supporting sanctions against Russia didn't help Russia AT ALL.

It's like most conspiracy theories, there's no way to get from A to Z. You just throw shyt against the wall without even drawing the slightest connection.





At this time the Trump administration had made it clear they were pulling out of the JPCOA. :cook:

What's wrong with the explanation you just posted? :dahell:

Trump didn't pull out of the Iran agreement until another year later. Until then they were trying to get Iran to pull out of it first, in many people's minds as a pretext for war. Bernie is against those games.

Now, as with the other shyt you're throwing against a wall, how does Bernie's vote POSSIBLY help Russia? Please tell me, how could it POSSIBLY help Russia for Bernie to cast that vote? it's a clear protest against Trump's Iran policy, but in terms of Russia it does...what?

That's what's so stupid about the conspiracy theory, there's no logic or connection. I



This is false and you're actually spinning up a conspiracy theory of your own. The 2012 Magnisky act only dealt with Russia/Moldova. :francis:
It's not a "conspiracy theory", I just mixed up the 2012 vote and the 2017 vote (two votes, not "numerous"). But I've already independently published the explanations for both.



Your argument sourcing is coming from a highly biased Bernie site attempting juelz facts into a narrative. None it removes the fact that Bernie will and should answer questions with regard to his foreign policy goals and Russia and expounding on his past votes.
As if the conspiracy theories aren't coming from anti-Bernie sources. :deadrose:

There were multiple other Democrats and Independents who voted against that same 2012 bill and NONE of them have been accused of being "pro-Russian agents". It's a dumb narrative, give it up.
 

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Yup.

That's not full hacking breh, when you get a 404 error online that is the same process. Now russia did interfere with the Facebook propaganda ads, but the hacking like the hype that the 60 (er, 4) agencies said didn't happen.
Do you mean 401? :patrice:

Anyway, there's really no way around the argument from saying that the Sanders campaign stole data. Having an argument over whether you want to call it hacking (mostly done by social engineering or exploiting vulnerabilities) the moral and ethical conclusion is the same.
 

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Do you mean 401? :patrice:

Anyway, there's really no way around the argument from saying that the Sanders campaign stole data. Having an argument over whether you want to call it hacking (mostly done by social engineering or exploiting vulnerabilities) the moral and ethical conclusion is the same.
Its worse. The Sanders camp LIED about taking the data when there were logs proving they downloaded ALL of it and searched the data 25+ times
 

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Do you mean 401? :patrice:

Anyway, there's really no way around the argument from saying that the Sanders campaign stole data. Having an argument over whether you want to call it hacking (mostly done by social engineering or exploiting vulnerabilities) the moral and ethical conclusion is the same.
Yeah 401.

I can agree with this post.
 

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Don't know what cultural diplomacy is, brehs

Sister city programs between US and USSR cities was happening all throughout the Cold War.

Soviet professionals came on the U.S. Department of State's International Visitor Leadership (IVLP) program throughout the Cold War.
Thats beyond diplomacy.

Sanders is a damn communist. Dude only voted the first time when he was on the ballot and didn't have a job until he was 40. He got kicked off a kibbutz for literally being too lazy.
 

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You're not getting the argument right. First off, it's low IQ as hell to claim "either every vote has to be on principle or no vote is ever on principle". The world isn't black-and-white like that, sometimes you compromise and sometimes you don't.

But that's not even the issue here. The question is whether he's some sort of "pro-Russian agent", which is far too low-IQ for someone like you to even consider. And to answer that question, you'd have to explain WHY Bernie being a pro-Russian agent would lead him to skip a vote like that. You have no explanation for it. It wouldn't make any sense. Bernie skipping that vote while publicly supporting sanctions against Russia didn't help Russia AT ALL.

It's like most conspiracy theories, there's no way to get from A to Z. You just throw shyt against the wall without even drawing the slightest connection.

:comeon: No.

A simple question was asked:

Did Bernie ever explain why he voted against the Magnitsky act? And he didn’t vote on the derpisaka sanctions? Why?

Why did Bernie vote Against the Magnisky act 2012 and skip the recent Deripaska vote?
-Fact 1:He did vote no against the magnisky act and he never get reason why.
-Fact 2: He didn't oppose when the 2015 act passed by unanimous consent and never explained why he changed his stance from 2012 to 2015.
-Fact 3: He did not vote for the Derpsiaka sanctions and the reason he gave why was he had a scheduled meeting responding to sexual harassment complaints in his campaign.

All this conspiracy talk is something you brought to the table for a question I just answered in three factually objective lines.:manny:


What's wrong with the explanation you just posted? :dahell:

Trump didn't pull out of the Iran agreement until another year later. Until then they were trying to get Iran to pull out of it first, in many people's minds as a pretext for war. Bernie is against those games.

The Trump administration had already imposed new Sanctions on Iran in February 2017 :dahell:.
He de-certified the deal in October after 90 days earlier saying he was going to pull out. :scusthov:

Now, as with the other shyt you're throwing against a wall, how does Bernie's vote POSSIBLY help Russia? Please tell me, how could it POSSIBLY help Russia for Bernie to cast that vote? it's a clear protest against Trump's Iran policy, but in terms of Russia it does...what?

That's what's so stupid about the conspiracy theory, there's no logic or connection. I

Bernie's no votes against sanctions and his absentee vote from the Deripaska were both positions that directly help Russia. Hence the initial question, why did he vote no or abstain across multiple votes. Again, as I said numerous times is a fair question. :ld:

It's not a "conspiracy theory", I just mixed up the 2012 vote and the 2017 vote (two votes, not "numerous"). But I've already independently published the explanations for both.
Bernie never gave a statement regarding his 2012 vote that I'm aware of.
His 2017 is his reason, albeit symbolic, at least reasonable. :manny:

As if the conspiracy theories aren't coming from anti-Bernie sources. :deadrose:

There were multiple other Democrats and Independents who voted against that same 2012 bill and NONE of them have been accused of being "pro-Russian agents". It's a dumb narrative, give it up.

They aren't running for President. That's why people aren't asking them about their foreign policy views. Again, as I have said consistently on the issue, Bernie Sanders has a spotty foreign policy voting record and knowing what we know now of Russian influence these are questions he will have to answer. Asking a person to flesh out their foreign policy because they're running for President isn't the same as accusing them of being a Russian agent. Being frank, there's only one or two posters on this sub who even run that narrative and they weren't a part of your back and forth. I'm definitely not :heh:
 

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Bernie's no votes against sanctions and his absentee vote from the Deripaska were both positions that directly help Russia.

No they don't. :dead:

With all the other deflections and ridiculousness, this is the biggest failure here. None of those things you're accusing Bernie Sanders of doing helped Russia AT ALL.

Please, you or any others being silly, explain how Bernie missing the Deripaska vote, or stating that he was in favor of sanctions against Russia but casting a symbolic no vote due to the grouping with Iran, helps Russia AT ALL?????

How does a missed vote when you're 3 votes short anyway. or a symbolic no when you voice that your no is CLEARLY due to Iran and not Russia, help Russia?

:sas1::sas2:
 

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No they don't. :dead:

With all the other deflections and ridiculousness, this is the biggest failure here. None of those things you're accusing Bernie Sanders of doing helped Russia AT ALL.

Please, you or any others being silly, explain how Bernie missing the Deripaska vote, or stating that he was in favor of sanctions against Russia but casting a symbolic no vote due to the grouping with Iran, helps Russia AT ALL?????

How does a missed vote when you're 3 votes short anyway. or a symbolic no when you voice that your no is CLEARLY due to Iran and not Russia, help Russia?

:sas1::sas2:
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