Why do you think suffering exists/is so prevalent in the world?

[Complexion]

Rich, poor, black or white its one thing that is a constant across the board when it comes to the human experience. If people truly kept it real instead of wearing masks it would be a lot more evident than it is. Maybe that's why they wear masks?

Anyway, wondering what you think about this because I've spoken to a lot of people of all races, stations and occupations and most of them admit that their lives are filled with more suffering than joy, if weighed on scales as experience thus far. Suffering can come from many sources be it money, family, partners, uncertainty, anxiety and all other forms of mental health and yet its generally never addressed anywhere outside of philosophical circles.

Of course, The Coli is probably the wrong place to ask because everyone on here is an uber successful baller who is 48 and looks 24 with more dimes than a jukebox but you can share a tale of your 'friend' instead if that helps...

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

fukk a mask, wear a helmet.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Rich, poor, black or white its one thing that is a constant across the board when it comes to the human experience. If people truly kept it real instead of wearing masks it would be a lot more evident than it is. Maybe that's why they wear masks?

Anyway, wondering what you think about this because I've spoken to a lot of people of all races, stations and occupations and most of them admit that their lives are filled with more suffering than joy, if weighed on scales as experience thus far. Suffering can come from many sources be it money, family, partners, uncertainty, anxiety and all other forms of mental health and yet its generally never addressed anywhere outside of philosophical circles.

Of course, The Coli is probably the wrong place to ask because everyone on here is an uber successful baller who is 48 and looks 24 with more dimes than a jukebox but you can share a tale of your 'friend' instead if that helps...

bro

Paul Dano as the riddler in the new batman movie ... said some of this shyt but flipped it. saying the mask isnt to hide but to be seen to come alive!

maybe i can find that scene or clip.

 

[tuckgod]

The Universe is built off friction, vibration, and heat

Suffering comes from expecting things to remain as is in a Universe that depends on constant change and uncomfortability for its survival.

Suffering ends when you embrace being uncomfortable.

It’s all about perspective.

Edit: I’m not talking physical pain, I’m talking dissatisfaction with life and your mental response to outside influences, for the simple Simon ass nikkas

 

[Chrishaune]

SIN

 

[Complexion]

The Universe is built off friction, vibration, and heat

Suffering comes from expecting things to remain as is in a Universe that depends on constant change and uncomfortability for its survival.

Suffering ends when you embrace being uncomfortable

It’s all about perspective.

That is an interesting perspective. Bruce Lee once said a man can see further through a tear than a telescope. Joy is a visitor that remains for two days but once pain moves in it never leaves.

The one thing I find odd about it however is that it seems to be default mode programming that everything else is based off. You've got hordes of people who externally seem to have it made but internally are a wreck. On the flip I've know some with nothing much to say externally but are in a perfect state of equilibrium internally.

Reminded me of this old video:



Its worth watching if you can edit out the immature kids as the old man drops gems and highlights exactly what I mean about suffering and transcendence.

If people were honestly keeping it a buck I'd estimate that up until now most peoples lives have been 70/30 split on suffering to happiness, and thats if they were one of the lucky one.

 

[Cowboyz89]

People are greedy.

Most people with power and influence will put their own desires over the basic needs of others.

 

[tuckgod]

That is an interesting perspective. Bruce Lee once said a man can see further through a tear than a telescope. Joy is a visitor that remains for two days but once pain moves in it never leaves.

The one thing I find odd about it however is that it seems to be default mode programming that everything else is based off. You've got hordes of people who externally seem to have it made but internally are a wreck. On the flip I've know some with nothing much to say externally but are in a perfect state of equilibrium internally.

Reminded me of this old video:



Its worth watching if you can edit out the immature kids as the old man drops gems and highlights exactly what I mean about suffering and transcendence.

If people were honestly keeping it a buck I'd estimate that up until now most peoples lives have been 70/30 split on suffering to happiness, and thats if they were one of the lucky one.

Yeah breh

Key to life is learning to appreciate the little things (not just a cliché) and understanding that you really don’t mean shyt in the grand scheme of things so don’t take yourself so seriously.

All the shyt the old folks say is true but it doesn’t make sense until you thoroughly go through all the bullshyt.

 

[DreadBrown]

Everything thing is relative

Suffering comes the from the experience of lacking or being without a particular thing in life

Change the perspective and the experience changes

 

[Reflected]

The Universe is built off friction, vibration, and heat

Suffering comes from expecting things to remain as is in a Universe that depends on constant change and uncomfortability for its survival.

Suffering ends when you embrace being uncomfortable

It’s all about perspective.

Eh, someone being tortured or sex trafficked is not going to be able to embrace being uncomfortable, as the harm conflicts with their biological nature, pain receptors, for example. The simple answer for suffering existing is because we, as sentient beings, have the capacity for suffering. Other species are capable of suffering, we can observe the typical stress responses rising when they are introduced into stressful situations, either mentally or physically inflicted.

So long as a species has the capacity for suffering, suffering will exist. With all species capable of suffering seizing existence, suffering will come to an end, assuming this is the last of a species in a vacuum. I suppose you could create a human incapable of suffering, they lack pain receptors, they lack cognitive functions outside of what's needed to sustain their body as an organism, but for the most part, those with a subjective experience can be subjected to suffering.

So it's either make do with your proclivity to suffering, which is going to vary significantly based on your roll in life, hell, something as simple as brain chemistry could lead to suffering daily for a lifetime, imagine being subjected to cluster headaches every day on an near hourly basis.

 

[Fillerguy]

With what little we know about the universe, we know entropy is constant and unavoidable. "Time" flows in one direction, if you drop an egg on the floor and it breaks...it will never unbreak in our universe. Aka nothing last forever. The universe will eventually fall into state of disorder until even the stars can not longer maintain cohesion. The heat death of the universe.

This means pain and suffering temporary but so is pleasure. However, pain/suffering is guaranteed because
1) we have the capacity to feel it
2) we are conditioned, whether by environment or biological design, to seek fleeting sensations such as pleasure.

Tdlr; the universe is designed to obliterate your molecules. The physical experience is inherently painful and unavoidable but the emotional experience can be lessen by temporary pleasures like the concepts of love and religion.

 

[Complexion]

Most people with power and influence will put their own desires over the basic needs of others.

Yes, I've often said that those with power and influence in this world are the last ones that should have it whilst the ones that could wield it for the betterment of everyone else don't want anything to do with it. Its a strange paradox which is evidenced all around us as we stroll through these killing fields.

All the shyt the old folks say is true but it doesn’t make sense until you thoroughly go through all the bullshyt.

I'm hearing you on FM, its something I've recently became cognizant of in the sense that most suffering is us being too attached to our story and then torturing ourselves in our head whilst trying to project an air of the opposite to everyone else. The decoupling process is very enlightening. Literally in the sense that you feel lighter having done so and this generates way more insight into the nature of suffering.

Going back to your earlier point this is where the human machine steps in and creates unnecessary suffering out the little piece of friction you need to keep it moving and not stagnate. Its a fascinating topic once you really delve into it because it touches literally everything and everyone.

Change the perspective and the experience changes

Yes, like I said its all about the story we tell ourselves in our head. Much moreso than the actual event in a lot of case. As X said "To live is to suffer, to survive is to find meaning in the suffering".

So it's either make do with your proclivity to suffering, which is going to vary significantly based on your roll in life, hell, something as simple as brain chemistry could lead to suffering daily for a lifetime, imagine being subjected to cluster headaches every day on an near hourly basis.

There is a reason giraffes don't get ulcers. On a larger scale society itself is profoundly sick as its built on and reinforces suffering whilst simultaneously attempting to deny its existence. Humanity is a very schizophrenic species when looked at objectively as it seems the inmates took over the asylum long, long ago...

Tdlr; the universe is designed to obliterate your molecules. The physical experience is inherently painful and unavoidable but the emotional experience can be lessen by temporary pleasures like the concepts of love and religion.

We could go into a whole nother tangent here that would veer way off the topic but I'll save that for elsewhere. Interesting viewpoint however.

 

[Reflected]

Consider this:

Suicide in primary headaches in 48 countries: A physician-survey based study - PubMed

Aim To investigate the relationship between primary headache types and accomplished or attempted suicide in countries from all world regions. Methods Data were obtained using a questionnaire about suicide due to headache in a face-to-face interview with 203 physicians with expertise in...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Results Primary headaches cause one suicide per 1,000,000 population each year (1% of the suicide rate due to all causes). Cluster headache and migraines account for 70-80% of them. Suicide attempts are 10 times more frequent than accomplished suicides.

How are these people able to change their perspective on life? Their simple biological makeup prevents this from being possible so long as they are capable of experiencing pain, and this doesn't even take into account the effects that these headaches can still have on the body, regardless of the capacity to experience pain.

 

[tuckgod]

Eh, someone being tortured or sex trafficked is not going to be able to embrace being uncomfortable, as the harm conflicts with their biological nature, pain receptors, for example. The simple answer for suffering existing is because we, as sentient beings, have the capacity for suffering. Other species are capable of suffering, we can observe the typical stress responses rising when they are introduced into stressful situations, either mentally or physically inflicted.

So long as a species has the capacity for suffering, suffering will exist. With all species capable of suffering seizing existence, suffering will come to an end, assuming this is the last of a species in a vacuum. I suppose you could create a human incapable of suffering, they lack pain receptors, they lack cognitive functions outside of what's needed to sustain their body as an organism, but for the most part, those with a subjective experience can be subjected to suffering.

So it's either make do with your proclivity to suffering, which is going to vary significantly based on your roll in life, hell, something as simple as brain chemistry could lead to suffering daily for a lifetime, imagine being subjected to cluster headaches every day on an near hourly basis.

What

 

[Genos]

Capitalism