Why do you want LeBron to fail?

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Keep it real tho, you know numbers don't tell all truths. When it mattered most he was made ineffective. All those pretty numbers don't matter when it comes to final results. Last year's loss you can't blame him cuz his team was injured, but please don't excuse this nikka for allowing himself to go out like he did to the mavs and spurs. Hell, lets not forget that Ray Allen saved this nikka legacy with that 3 pointer. For all the hype we were forced to deal with that shyt don't add up.

Long, though out reply incoming addressing the finals he's played in besides 2012.


Are we really holding 2007 against him? The 2nd through 5th best players and better coaching staff all belonged to San Antonio. If we're talking 2013, he made all the plays needed to win the series. The Spurs were the best defense in the playoffs. They prioritized guarding the paint and the three point line. They were 29th in the league in guarding mid range jumpers and still were a top 5 defense all season long I think. You don't beat the Spurs shooting those shots. Yeah Allen made the 3 that tied it, but having a couple assists, blocking a shot, and scoring 16 in the 4th quarter of game 6 should count for something. If we're remembering the whole series, they should have won in 6, but bosh and Wade went a combined 1-10 for 2 points in the fourth quarter of game 1 and they lost by just 4. The team went 1-7 on shot attempts he set up that quarter. If we're talking game 3 in 2013, they still lose the game even if he hits all 21 shot attempts he took. You don't beat the Spurs as an individual. You beat them as a team and 2014 showed this. Nobody showed up besides him. The Spurs shot maybe 70% through the first 3 quarters of game 3, after the first 3 quarters of game 4, his teammates were shooting 25%, and when he left game 1 it was a 2 point game with maybe 4 minutes left. They team lost by 15. Someone else has to show up besides him to win. I haven't even gotten into how badly we always got out coached in the playoffs, which brings me to 2011 against the Mavericks. Should he have been more aggressive? Absolutely, but same as 2013 against the Spurs, you don't beat a great defense or a well coached team shooting mid range jumpers off the dribble. Dallas made their key priority to guard him at all costs. This was a valid strategy because our hack of a coach played lineups all series that had us playing 4 on 5 defensively and 3 on 5 offensively wth our best shooter on the floor being a 33% shooter from distance. Dallas was doubling him both on and off the ball basically every possession. Anthony and bibby needed to be taken off the floor for shooters. He had a bad finals in 2011 but the biggest reason that happened was how badly we got out coached. Dallas had a great game plan and spo never adjusted. He's why we nearly lost in 2013 too. When James went crazy in the 4th quarter of game 6 and we took the lead, he put an injured Wade back in for Miller. Wade couldn't shoot the whole playoffs, and the Spurs were able to basically ignore Wade to wall off LeBron and start getting stops and the Spurs were able to take back the lead. If Miller is left in then the Spurs have to stick to him and they likely don't force all the turnovers they do in the final minutes. I can see why people would dish out blame for 2011, but there wasn't any other series where we can assess blame in my opinion. His team's have been out coached in the finals in 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, and in 2015, and in 2007, 2014, and in 2015, nobody on the team played well enough to win besides him.

 

[William F. Russell]

Because the CAC media convinced them that he is the bad guy. Culturally and socially he is more of a "real nikka" than most other athletes and certainly Kobe and Jordan.

Ask him who Tamir Rice was...

 

[knickscrusaderm]

Ask him who Tamir Rice was...

Ask Kobe about Trayvon.

"I need all the facts" lookin ass .

 

[McPiff]

lmao if anything you sound soft breh for this post. A nikka quit on his team and ran to join his BFFs team but the nikkaz that point it out are soft?

Your man went out like a chump on multiple occasions and you can't change that. LeBron is like the Drake of the NBA, Drake made one mixtape and was prematurely praised damn near the same way LeBron was. Plus anyone that has anything negative or even constructive to say is a hatin ass nikka, smh bet you a Drake stan too. Plus that KG shyt is lowkey amusing too, I thought this was the King that we were suppose to crown as better than Jordan? He ain't have to take KG advice if he actually gave a fukk in that last series.

Thecoli.com in a nutshell.

you need to get out that fukkin crab, " ESPN is the truth" mentality brehs. I really hope you aint that dense in real life.

Funny ass post tho

 

[Black White Sox Hat]

The Warriors have turned Lebron into a good guy again.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

The Warriors have turned Lebron into a good guy again.

nothing bad about that at all cuz LeBron is a good guy...dude is a family man who's had to deal with being in the national spotlight since he was like 14

a lot of others have failed under lesser spotlights (look at Sebastian Telfair when he was the next)

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Long, though out reply incoming addressing the finals he's played in besides 2012.


Are we really holding 2007 against him? The 2nd through 5th best players and better coaching staff all belonged to San Antonio. If we're talking 2013, he made all the plays needed to win the series. The Spurs were the best defense in the playoffs. They prioritized guarding the paint and the three point line. They were 29th in the league in guarding mid range jumpers and still were a top 5 defense all season long I think. You don't beat the Spurs shooting those shots. Yeah Allen made the 3 that tied it, but having a couple assists, blocking a shot, and scoring 16 in the 4th quarter of game 6 should count for something. If we're remembering the whole series, they should have won in 6, but bosh and Wade went a combined 1-10 for 2 points in the fourth quarter of game 1 and they lost by just 4. The team went 1-7 on shot attempts he set up that quarter. If we're talking game 3 in 2013, they still lose the game even if he hits all 21 shot attempts he took. You don't beat the Spurs as an individual. You beat them as a team and 2014 showed this. Nobody showed up besides him.

The Spurs shot maybe 70% through the first 3 quarters of game 3, after the first 3 quarters of game 4, his teammates were shooting 25%, and when he left game 1 it was a 2 point game with maybe 4 minutes left. They team lost by 15. Someone else has to show up besides him to win. I haven't even gotten into how badly we always got out coached in the playoffs, which brings me to 2011 against the Mavericks. Should he have been more aggressive? Absolutely, but same as 2013 against the Spurs, you don't beat a great defense or a well coached team shooting mid range jumpers off the dribble. Dallas made their key priority to guard him at all costs. This was a valid strategy because our hack of a coach played lineups all series that had us playing 4 on 5 defensively and 3 on 5 offensively wth our best shooter on the floor being a 33% shooter from distance. Dallas was doubling him both on and off the ball basically every possession. Anthony and bibby needed to be taken off the floor for shooters.

He had a bad finals in 2011 but the biggest reason that happened was how badly we got out coached. Dallas had a great game plan and spo never adjusted. He's why we nearly lost in 2013 too. When James went crazy in the 4th quarter of game 6 and we took the lead, he put an injured Wade back in for Miller. Wade couldn't shoot the whole playoffs, and the Spurs were able to basically ignore Wade to wall off LeBron and start getting stops and the Spurs were able to take back the lead. If Miller is left in then the Spurs have to stick to him and they likely don't force all the turnovers they do in the final minutes. I can see why people would dish out blame for 2011, but there wasn't any other series where we can assess blame in my opinion. His team's have been out coached in the finals in 2007, 2011, 2013, 2014, and in 2015, and in 2007, 2014, and in 2015, nobody on the team played well enough to win besides him.

lmao, of course I'm not holding '07 against him that'd be ridiculous.

On the whole yes, you need the whole team operating at championship level if you want to be a champion and the heats lost as a team. Yes, you need good coaching with the right adjustments made at the right time. But in both instances vs the Spurs/Mavs they played into his weakness which is confidence in his jumper. If he was the type of threat as a jumpshooter that Kobe or Jordan were would you not agree that the difference would've been astronomical? His weak post game also hurt him against the Mavs it would've been a difference if back then he had the post game he has now. So how does one conclude that this player is the apex of what a basketball player is suppose to be and you've got defenders sagging off on him because he's only at his most effective scoring wise when he's crashing into the paint. We can marvel at that, but this is why some people question his crowning over other greats. You said you can't beat the Spurs shooting mid range jumpers but Kobe did that 4 times, KD was just hittin mid rangers last series, and surely Jordan wouldn't of had an issue either. LeBron's glaring weaknesses and moments of mental weakness given the huge hype around him really brought all of this about at the end of the day. And I don't think it's out of hate, I think it's more because we saw what he could be and believed he could and should do that. We were given these expectations in the first place so when they aren't met how can he be put over other legends? I'll give you 2014 somewhat aside from him no one on the heats showed up, but him getting shook of KL was also pretty to me.

All time great player, a role model off the court for young people to follow, but not the King or Chosen one that people claimed him to be.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Thecoli.com in a nutshell.

you need to get out that fukkin crab, " ESPN is the truth" mentality brehs. I really hope you aint that dense in real life.

Funny ass post tho

lol, thanks for the props but what do ESPN got to do with anything breh? I'm far from a hater imo, but I think it's wack to give props just because and ignore the bad shyt. That's not real.

Kobe had the most ignorant shot selection ever, he handled the Shaq shyt bad in hindsight because he should've known he was going to take the team from him anyway off the strength of his prime, he should've just went out shooting in Game 7 vs the Suns. I have lots of criticisms for Kobe and that's my favorite athlete ever. So how the fukk I'ma cut LeBron slack?

 

[beenz]

I root against dude EVERY year. mainly cuz he's been the obstacle in the bulls way for a decade.

and I'm getting tired of seeing dude cake walk his ass into the finals with the lack of true competition in the east.

 

[William F. Russell]

Ask Kobe about Trayvon.

"I need all the facts" lookin ass .

One doesn't excuse the other. That was still a BAD look by Bron.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

lmao, of course I'm not holding '07 against him that'd be ridiculous.

On the whole yes, you need the whole team operating at championship level if you want to be a champion and the heats lost as a team. Yes, you need good coaching with the right adjustments made at the right time. But in both instances vs the Spurs/Mavs they played into his weakness which is confidence in his jumper. If he was the type of threat as a jumpshooter that Kobe or Jordan were would you not agree that the difference would've been astronomical? His weak post game also hurt him against the Mavs it would've been a difference if back then he had the post game he has now. So how does one conclude that this player is the apex of what a basketball player is suppose to be and you've got defenders sagging off on him because he's only at his most effective scoring wise when he's crashing into the paint. We can marvel at that, but this is why some people question his crowning over other greats. You said you can't beat the Spurs shooting mid range jumpers but Kobe did that 4 times, KD was just hittin mid rangers last series, and surely Jordan wouldn't of had an issue either. LeBron's glaring weaknesses and moments of mental weakness given the huge hype around him really brought all of this about at the end of the day. And I don't think it's out of hate, I think it's more because we saw what he could be and believed he could and should do that. We were given these expectations in the first place so when they aren't met how can he be put over other legends? I'll give you 2014 somewhat aside from him no one on the heats showed up, but him getting shook of KL was also pretty to me.

All time great player, a role model off the court for young people to follow, but not the King or Chosen one that people claimed him to be.

Some issues we may have to agree to disagree. Calling more post plays in 2011 may have been a good idea, but we would have needed to put more shooters on the floor to space it properly. If this were the pre zone league from when Shaq and Kobe were winning titles, then it's another story, but the rule changes are a big reason why we don't see as many post plays run for larger players. Zones slow that type of offense down. More so than confidence in his jumper, I think the strategy behind daring him to shoot was an attempt to use his unselfishness against him. Being more aggressive with your own offense certainly would help, but the game plan on defense seemed to always be born in an attempt to try freezing out his teammates in my opinion. Obviously there's never been a perfect player, all the greats have different skill sets. They would have defended Mike or bean in different ways. Mike had no 3 point shot most of his career, so they would have likely walled off the paint and similarly tried to force him into 20 footers since those are bad shots to take. Bean was a very streaky shooter. When he was cold, he was frigid, and he never liked passing in the clutch. The best way to guard him was how Boston and Detroit did in the finals. Comparing what Mike may have done against these modern teams is a pointless exercise though, because his era didn't prioritize the 3 ball and zones weren't allowed his entire run in Chicago. That leads to entirely different schemes and much simpler defenses in his era. Those rules totally changed the game. In regards to Bryant and durant hitting jumpers against the Spurs, you're not wrong that you need to hit jumpers, but it has to be more than one person going isolation and hitting from 18 feet. That's what the 2014 finals turned into. James was shooting on a 57/52/79 slash, but since everyone else went cold it didn't matter. Ultimately I don't think that swapping James for Bryant swings 2014 and I don't think swapping them swings 2004. 2011 might have gone differently, but that's tough to say since Dallas swept Los Angeles too. In this era, nobody can live up to that sort of hype because the stars of the 80's and 90's have been turned into a fish tale of players who never made any mistakes and had no holes in their games by ESPN and their talking heads. We're in an era that looks to tear down its stars to still prop up the 90's. Given all the pressure put on him since he was a kid, I would assess that he was as good as we can expect. We can't expect the 6 titles in 8 years Chicago ripped off from 1991-1998 from anyone really because everything came together perfectly for the Bulls to do that and the league is structured in a way that it isn't that one sided anymore. As soon as the 1997-98 season ended, the lockout basically was put in with the goal of keeping a team from dominating like that, and the same can be said for 2011 when we had the last lockout.

 

[NYC Rebel]

This forum marks out for First Take a show that built its base from a fakkit like Skip Bayless hating the man who gives a fukk the others are just Kobe/Jordan stans who feel threatened

That's al it comes down too. Had a cat in here bring up Kobe doing it his way to knock Lebron.

Part of Kobe's retirement I'm going to enjoy is the hopeful return to normalcy of Lakers fans. The stupidity of Kobe fans turned me off

 

[Shutdown10]

That's not fair imo. He did not have the luxury of a front office on his first time with the Cavs that was capable of putting a championship team around him. Most of the other greats didn't have that problem. Bron stays on the Cavs and he's Allen Iverson...HOF player with no rings because he never had a good enough team.

Moves were there but Lebron always said that he was fine with the core that he already had. When Stoudamire was available for trade he told Dan Gilbert not to do it because he was fine with the core. Ariza and Artest reached out to him about going to the Cavs, but he showed no interest in staying with the franchise. It's fair because
Jordan could have easily quit on the Bulls when he was losing all those seasons. Lets not forget him and Pippen did not start wining together because Pippen was not ready yet because he struggled against the Pistons in those three playoff defeats. MJ and Pip grew and became great in front of our eyes. Shaq went to LA for more money and took a gamble playing with a kid(Kobe) who could have been a bust, but it worked because Kobe is a hard worker who wanted to be seen as equal to Shaq. They built something! Lebron completely put in a cheat code and got Wade and Bosh. We all knew they were going to win, it was just a matter of when and who was going to become their victims. Why do you think the backlash was so great when he made that move? Because best players are not suppose to stack the deck in their favor like. that. It will never be received well because we as paying viewers want to see the best beat the best. By him doing that it cheats us out of our time and money and disrespects that path these past legends had to go through to have success. I don't have a huge problem with him leaving Cleveland. I have a problem with him taking the easy path.

 

[Gyasi85]

God damn this reply is so shyt I can tell you just started watching basketball from that warriors avi and this shyt reply .

The decision did far more to help than it did to hurt. It made tons of charity money and opened up seasons of fukkery the biggest haters can appreciate. Tell me the heatles days weren't fun as fukk from both a stan and hater standpoint .

Google what the name lebron means you bandwagon. It literally means king in some african languages. You must be a cac .

You really mad over a pep rally my nikka?! .

You think Dirk gave a fukk about bron and dwade taunting his sickness? Didn't KG make a backhanded comment about Tim Duncan's mother during a game on Mother's day? .

And what happened last night? You mad over a flop? . All these gripes you have over Lebron are literally ESPN fueled. ESPN raised some of you fukk nikkas I can tell from your shyt sports opinions .

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

That's al it comes down too. Had a cat in here bring up Kobe doing it his way to knock Lebron.

Part of Kobe's retirement I'm going to enjoy is the hopeful return to normalcy of Lakers fans. The stupidity of Kobe fans turned me off

Lol how passive aggressive of you. You've yet to reply to what I said, let me guess you didn't want to dignify it with a response. But it meant enough to you to mention one of my posts. Don't bother replying either, I'm bout to watch the game and I'm actually not gonna dignify you with a response.