Why do you want LeBron to fail?

[Gyasi85]

Because the CAC media convinced them that he is the bad guy. Culturally and socially he is more of a "real nikka" than most other athletes and certainly Kobe and Jordan.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Some issues we may have to agree to disagree. Calling more post plays in 2011 may have been a good idea, but we would have needed to put more shooters on the floor to space it properly. If this were the pre zone league from when Shaq and Kobe were winning titles, then it's another story, but the rule changes are a big reason why we don't see as many post plays run for larger players. Zones slow that type of offense down. More so than confidence in his jumper, I think the strategy behind daring him to shoot was an attempt to use his unselfishness against him. Being more aggressive with your own offense certainly would help, but the game plan on defense seemed to always be born in an attempt to try freezing out his teammates in my opinion. Obviously there's never been a perfect player, all the greats have different skill sets. They would have defended Mike or bean in different ways. Mike had no 3 point shot most of his career, so they would have likely walled off the paint and similarly tried to force him into 20 footers since those are bad shots to take. Bean was a very streaky shooter. When he was cold, he was frigid, and he never liked passing in the clutch. The best way to guard him was how Boston and Detroit did in the finals. Comparing what Mike may have done against these modern teams is a pointless exercise though, because his era didn't prioritize the 3 ball and zones weren't allowed his entire run in Chicago. That leads to entirely different schemes and much simpler defenses in his era. Those rules totally changed the game. In regards to Bryant and durant hitting jumpers against the Spurs, you're not wrong that you need to hit jumpers, but it has to be more than one person going isolation and hitting from 18 feet. That's what the 2014 finals turned into. James was shooting on a 57/52/79 slash, but since everyone else went cold it didn't matter. Ultimately I don't think that swapping James for Bryant swings 2014 and I don't think swapping them swings 2004. 2011 might have gone differently, but that's tough to say since Dallas swept Los Angeles too. In this era, nobody can live up to that sort of hype because the stars of the 80's and 90's have been turned into a fish tale of players who never made any mistakes and had no holes in their games by ESPN and their talking heads. We're in an era that looks to tear down its stars to still prop up the 90's. Given all the pressure put on him since he was a kid, I would assess that he was as good as we can expect. We can't expect the 6 titles in 8 years Chicago ripped off from 1991-1998 from anyone really because everything came together perfectly for the Bulls to do that and the league is structured in a way that it isn't that one sided anymore. As soon as the 1997-98 season ended, the lockout basically was put in with the goal of keeping a team from dominating like that, and the same can be said for 2011 when we had the last lockout.

I'll have to read this later I'm on my phone now. But what I will say is that there's a common denominator in the hate Kobe and LeBron get which is the media. I'd just say that we do also have a right to like or not like certain players given the criteria we think is important to us.

 

[NYC Rebel]

Lol how passive aggressive of you. You've yet to reply to what I said, let me guess you didn't want to dignify it with a response. But it meant enough to you to mention one of my posts. Don't bother replying either, I'm bout to watch the game and I'm actually not gonna dignify you with a response.

Whatever. You brought up Kobe on your own using that shyt example as a rational which showed:

1. You always viewed Bron as some sort of weird threat to Kobe

2. You're just a weirdo who needs to ring up Kobe's name where there is none.

Like seriously....you introduced Kobe in this thread using the dumbest and flimsiest of reasons. It had no place here but here you are....and the rational was just as horrid as your shyt Bron posts over the years, motivated by this Kobe lust, again reintroduced in this thread.

 

[Bolzmark]

Moves were there but Lebron always said that he was fine with the core that he already had. When Stoudamire was available for trade he told Dan Gilbert not to do it because he was fine with the core. Ariza and Artest reached out to him about going to the Cavs, but he showed no interest in staying with the franchise. It's fair because
Jordan could have easily quit on the Bulls when he was losing all those seasons. Lets not forget him and Pippen did not start wining together because Pippen was not ready yet because he struggled against the Pistons in those three playoff defeats. MJ and Pip grew and became great in front of our eyes. Shaq went to LA for more money and took a gamble playing with a kid(Kobe) who could have been a bust, but it worked because Kobe is a hard worker who wanted to be seen as equal to Shaq. They built something! Lebron completely put in a cheat code and got Wade and Bosh. We all knew they were going to win, it was just a matter of when and who was going to become their victims. Why do you think the backlash was so great when he made that move? Because best players are not suppose to stack the deck in their favor like. that. It will never be received well because we as paying viewers want to see the best beat the best. By him doing that it cheats us out of our time and money and disrespects that path these past legends had to go through to have success. I don't have a huge problem with him leaving Cleveland. I have a problem with him taking the easy path.

Stoudamire, Ariza and Artest? You think those could have been the missing pieces? C'mon man. First, let's remember it was a different climate in the NBA back then. Players moving around like that just didn't happen. And with MJ, look at the records. Every year they got better and better and then won the ship in his 7th year. The first Cavs team NEVER had a player that could even be mentioned in the same breath as Pippen. Magic got the ship in his 3rd year. You're underestimating the talent that was Kobe. And what happened when the Lakers were dissatisfied with their 1999 run? They go out and get Phil Jackson. 2000 champs. Do you see how some teams make moves to win while others bask in mediocrity? It is almost a requirement that a team have at LEAST two superstars to have a shot at a title. Where was the other one on that Cavs team? He's supposed to sit around and wait? Like AI, Reggie Miller, Barkley...etc.

There wasn't any cheat code. There are certain things you must have to get that ship and if your front office is not going to do it you gotta do it yourself. LOL at you thinking MJ, Shaq, Magic, Bird, etc would not have done the same if their teams were run by idiots.

 

[Suleiman Bey]

my dislike for him is media and fan based.

Carmelo Anthony should have been ROY.

Every year he's only whatever age.

When he wins, he's amazing, he makes everyone around him better. he can singlehandedly win every game.

He can play every position.

He's a lock defender.

He always makes the right basketball play.

His basketball IQ is amazing.

When he loses, he just didn't have enough help.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Cause sports fans are some of the most childish mothafukkas around.

I will never forget a grown mothafukka at the barber shop stood up and told everyone that sports is his life and he lives this shyt. Then an old kat probably in his 60s pointed at dude and said "If you spent half the time you do bytching about sports on your family and life.....your wife wouldn't had ended up leaving your ass and you wouldn't be stuck in the same bull shyt job the last 10 years".

Also these sports radio and sports cable TV really brain washes kats. That is why they repeat the same tired lines when it comes to sports. Cuban even pointed this shyt out a few years ago.

 

[ALonelyDad]

Because he is fun to hate on, we all need someone to root against and he is that guy. I appreciate that about him, I don't hate on his personal life like some guys do with some athletes.