Why does hiphop Treat its Legends the worst

[HowardHughes]

So today i saw the legend Rakim performing in a cafe
With atleast 300 ppl


It got me thinking how come rock legends still sellout areans but
rap legends cant sellout cafes

No one wants to see a rakim,slicky ricky, EPMD but people
Will see Bon Jovi or Rolling stones that are 40 years old.?

 

[Saint1]

I was gonna post

ah fukk it

 

[Larry]

Jaz O? that nikka taught Jigga how to rhyme






































HE AINT TEACH JIGGA HOW TO RHYME

 

[HowardHughes]

Jaz O? that nikka taught Jigga how to rhyme

HE AINT TEACH JIGGA HOW TO RHYME

The Game - Know The Ledge Freestyle - YouTube

Wtf you talking about

 

[Larry]

Wtf you talking about

referencing a rap line brehhhh



i posted the youtube right there

 

[criminology]

I have thought about this a lot. There's a few things.

One is that theres plenty of rock/pop starts that were influential or released good material that were tossed to the side. You don't think about them because, well, they were tossed to the side. So its a matter of confirmation bias. Plus there were are a lot of early 90s legends in the spotlight. (snoop, dre, nas). More confirmation bias. But yeah, the 80s rappers aren't really valued.

Another thing is hip hop has always been more youth orientated and never managed to transition into catering to the older crowd the way rock eventually did. At least not yet. Meaning there's a high turnover of stars like pop music which only a few people can survive. Young people are also more likely to go to shows.

Another is that hip hop was always more aggressively competitive. Just as an art. Jazz was competitive too, but I don't think they trying to blatantly end each other's careers or literally implicated in killing/robbing each other. Winner take all system. I think the death of 2pac and biggie also added to it. Imagine if Miles AND Coltrane were killed at 25. That makes for a really fukked up musical atmosphere. More winner takes or loses all sort of shyt.

 

[Wacky D]

old school rappers team up together and go on big tours all the time actually. even moreso than the current rappers, it seems.

but yea, in terms of doing a show on their own, its a tough draw, unless youre a group like say a run dmc.

it has everything to do with rap fans not caring about anything that came before them, with the exception of acts that get shoved down their throats. and a lot of that is due to the way the media tosses history to the side. its funny cuz this fuse channel completely disregards the '90s, let alone the '80s & 70s.

 

[Mr. Negative]

cause rap caters to a trend oriented audience.

when a trend doesn't last, neither does the audience. It may dwindle down and become a subniche, but the vast greater majority of that audience will move on to the next big thing.

contrast that to other genres that simply make music. They may make significant leaps and damn near create or rejuvenate a genre. The biggest acts don't cater to a musical trend or feed into the trends of their audience.

Those that do don't last.

You may have Diana Ross preforming somewhere in front of a HUGE audience while collecting a lifetime achievement award....

She'll probably be preforming shyt from the Motown Era. Stuff she did with the Supremes. Might bust out a few songs she did with Michael Jackson.


But you'll never see her do songs like Love Hangover or Upside Down.

Those are disco songs.

 

[Mr. Negative]

them dudes you mentioned are waaay past 40 by the way. lol

 

[observe]

So today i saw the legend Rakim performing in a cafe
With atleast 300 ppl


It got me thinking how come rock legends still sellout areans but
rap legends cant sellout cafes

No one wants to see a rakim,slicky ricky, EPMD but people
Will see Bon Jovi or Rolling stones that are 40 years old.?

Most of these old skool rappers are crack addicts or recovering crack addicts that can't get back on thier feet..

 

[Wacky D]

Most of these old skool rappers are crack addicts or recovering crack addicts that can't get back on thier feet..

you post a lot of stupid chit.

them dudes you mentioned are waaay past 40 by the way. lol

but they were being brushed off as when they were still in their 20s.

 

[Ian1362]

B/c the average rap fan is nearly completely ignorant of the genre beyond what they hear on their radio, let alone their knowledge of other genres.

It's pretty sad when European crowds get more hyped for NYC artists than their own state.

 

[valet]

I think it boils down to, did these groups make classic music that transcends generations. If the older generation not passing it down to younger then a lot times it won't happen. Unless, they live on youtube. Anytime you hear some great producer, they always talking about how they listened to their parents music. Parents having house partys.

Then 2ndly, a lot times these older groups can come back and make modern music. So in turn introduce a younger gen. to their older stuff. You can't do that really with hip hop. The closest I've seen is Juicy J and 2 Chainz.

 

[mastermind]

But you'll never see her do songs like Love Hangover or Upside Down.

Those are disco songs.

:deandre:



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7jc7ifqjQE"]Diana Ross Performs "Upside Down" 2012! LOVE IT!! - YouTube[/ame]


as for this thread... its a youth genre that hasnt transitioned to an older audience as well. I agree with dude that said its an American thing too.

 

[Rack4K]

The real legendary shyt is in the 90s, not the 80s. And when I say legendary I mean in terms of impact/popularity, not necessarily quality. Apart Run DMC, NWA or perhaps beastie boys, there's not a lot of rap from the 80s that's iconic in the eyes of a young kid in his teens or 20s...but in the 90s you got big, Pac, jay, nas, snoop, dre, cube, etc....and no young people really got problems biggin them dudes up because it was just a more iconic time and those 90s dudes took the framework from the 80s and improved upon it. The 80s had to build the bridge so the 90s could cross the water. Its unfortunate but it's truth.