Why does hiphop Treat its Legends the worst

[Mr. Negative]

:deandre:

Diana Ross - Upside Down - Live 2011 - YouTube

I didn't say she doesn't preform disco songs, playa.

I was saying that songs from what is now a time capsule-like trendy subniche of music aren't what an artist like Diana Ross is likely to sing when given a lifetime achievement award now.

Hence my saying

You may have Diana Ross preforming somewhere in front of a HUGE audience while collecting a lifetime achievement award....

edit: added the phrase "time capsule-like trendy"

 

[reaszon]

jay/em will gain big stadiums their whole lifes

 

[Piff Perkins]

Because rap is largely seen as disposable music, and when many people get older they stop listening. 80s and 90s rap are seen as "old" to many kids today, and there isn't really a loyal fanbase of people who will support older artists like that. 50 year old chicks will still go see a Motley Crue concert, but will a 40 year old chick go to a Big Daddy Kane show today?

Another thing: the artists people listen to today aren't even influenced by the greats. Think back to the 70s. The Rolling Stones and other bands breathed life into older (black) blues and rock by name dropping them. Young kids were going to BB King concerts because Mick Jagger said he was dope. Today who do rap artists give props to? Nas, Jay, Dre, etc. The big 90s rappers. So a J Cole fan might buy a Nas song on iTunes because she first learned about him through Cole. But how are they gonna hear about Rakim, Kane, etc when nobody is shouting them out, movies don't feature their music (that's another reason why old rock never dies), videogames don't feature their music etc.

 

[Nomad1]

90% of Hip hop fans are either; Wiggers, ignorant, or retarded.

 

[Wacky D]

Because rap is largely seen as disposable music, and when many people get older they stop listening. 80s and 90s rap are seen as "old" to many kids today, and there isn't really a loyal fanbase of people who will support older artists like that. 50 year old chicks will still go see a Motley Crue concert, but will a 40 year old chick go to a Big Daddy Kane show today?

Another thing: the artists people listen to today aren't even influenced by the greats. Think back to the 70s. The Rolling Stones and other bands breathed life into older (black) blues and rock by name dropping them. Young kids were going to BB King concerts because Mick Jagger said he was dope. Today who do rap artists give props to? Nas, Jay, Dre, etc. The big 90s rappers. So a J Cole fan might buy a Nas song on iTunes because she first learned about him through Cole. But how are they gonna hear about Rakim, Kane, etc when nobody is shouting them out, movies don't feature their music (that's another reason why old rock never dies), videogames don't feature their music etc.

it has more to do with demographics. white folks will pack the house for motley crue......they will also pack the house for a run dmc. white folks aren't rushing out to see big daddy kane. but don't get it twisted, kane is eating off those tours b.

people in their 40s and under & over still go to big daddy kane shows, but hes not gonna draw big venues on his own unless hes on some sort of rap legends bill - which is big business. again, as far as comparing old rap artists to old rock artists, youre moreso comparing demographics. it doesn't mean that one music is disposable and the other one isn't. middle-aged white folks are more liable to pack a venue for a throwback rock act. the crowds that attend functions for older rappers or older black artists in general - theyre quicker to attend shows with multiple acts on the bill. the only artists that don't have to team up like that are the artists that crossed-over. run dmc could do a nice tour by themselves today because white folks will attend in droves.

rap is not disposable music. it just has so much of a broad appeal as "the cool people's music" that it attracts way too many casual listeners. and the media makes matters even worst with their treatment of the music and disregard for its history, so even the more serious listeners fall into the practice of disregarding everything before them. I think shows like "unsung" and "life after" do a good job of improving the situation. its crazy cuz tv-one isn't part of the music industry. why couldn't mtv or bet do something like this? its a dam shame.

disclaimer: my bad if this was a bit repetitious. I rushed in a quick edit.

 

[Pop123]

in rap it's all about the name..

Snoop Dogg aint seriously been relevant out here since the 90's, but he still performing in front of

because of his name. you can make money off of your name in rap for a long time, not huge money, but you can live nice until you're 45-50.

 

[Mac Casper]

Older era garnered less mainstream attention to begin with

 

[Rakim Allah]

B/c the average rap fan is nearly completely ignorant of the genre beyond what they hear on their radio, let alone their knowledge of other genres.

It's pretty sad when European crowds get more hyped for NYC artists than their own state.

Saw Ra on his European Tour a couple of years ago while in Paris...place was packed and the crowd was

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The music is based on current sounds and trends so most of the music that gets put out will sound dated eventually. Hip hop has always been a youth oriented genre so an artist will eventually have to rely on their core fans that followed them since day one and got with them.

 

[Wacky D]

The real legendary shyt is in the 90s, not the 80s. And when I say legendary I mean in terms of impact/popularity, not necessarily quality. Apart Run DMC, NWA or perhaps beastie boys, there's not a lot of rap from the 80s that's iconic in the eyes of a young kid in his teens or 20s...but in the 90s you got big, Pac, jay, nas, snoop, dre, cube, etc....and no young people really got problems biggin them dudes up because it was just a more iconic time and those 90s dudes took the framework from the 80s and improved upon it. The 80s had to build the bridge so the 90s could cross the water. Its unfortunate but it's truth.

'80s was just as good, and arguably better than the '90s.

the '80s just didn't have the avenues that the '90s had. thus, people who are under 30 and didn't grow up around adults or older kids that were heavy into the music - they have no connection to anything that isn't shoved down their throats via tv/radio. the media basically acts like nothing existed before the mid-90s for the most part. thus, you have the blatant disregard.

look at the south. people who were late to the game like to act as if the south made great improvements over the past 10 years, when in reality, it became a joke. the only thing that changed for "the good" is that the south is being pushed as legit now. most of these dudes cant hold a candle to the '90s south dudes that had to take the bullets on the front-line.

 

[Wacky D]

smh @ that top 50 list that website put out this week.

 

[DaveyDave]

MC's Rakim and KRS One were never huge sellers to begin with. they may be cultural icons & legends with classic music but that doesn't necessarily translate to selling out arenas but i'm sure there are rock legends that are playing in dingy little clubs to 500 people instead of stadium shows.

 

[obarth]

Because the fanbase is full of a bunch of decapod crustaceans in cylindrical wooden containers

 

[NvrCMyNut]

rock legends sold like atleast 100 million 80's rap legends sold 1-2 mill tops. Find rakim performances in his prime on youtube vs bon jovi and compare the crowd size. 80's rap wasn't mainstream like that, prime rakim was performing in hole in the wall clubs. The most iconic & biggest legends alive like dre, snoop, 50, em, jay-z can still sell out huge venues but rap concerts have never & never will be on this kind of level;

 

[Harry B]

Rock legends are different, they came up in an era in which the biggest artists became cult-artists. There was like 2.5 genres on the radio, rock, pop and some R&B.
Stevie Wonder is a cult artist, but that doesn't mean that Frank Ocean, Usher, Ne-yo and them will be. Rolling Stones are, that doesn't mean that Arcade Fire, Linkin Park or whoever will be.

Also hiphop "legends" were very early, how often do you hear about rock legends from the 10 first years of rock (the 50s?).. Never. Pioneers rarely get that love. Rakim is more like Little Richard than Rolling Stones, time-wise speaking.

But in general, hiphop, not black people. Is a genre filled with haters.