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Why does Lebron refuse to go to a ball movement-heavy offense?
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Bron stans swear will ignore stats and common sense.
So the same people who have clowned him for not taking control at the end of games are clowning him because he wants to control the game himself
Exactly. They flail about trying to find a new line to go with every week.
You keep exposing that you don't know shyt about basketball.
The term "point forward" has been around for over 30 years.
Larry Bird got called a point forward with the Celtics. Scottie Pippen was always getting called a point forward with the Bulls. fukk, I called myself a point forward when I played as a kid.
You really going to convince people that you know anything about basketball when you think that there weren't even point forwards till Lebron came around?
It's statistical fact that Lebron reduces his teammates' APG and increases their assisted rate, thus turning them from playmakers to play-finishers.. Not surprisingly, their simple, predictable play-finishing roles no longer find success against the best playoff teams..
Unfortunately, by reducing teammates to play-finishers, Lebron promotes a sophomoric brand of basketball that can't succeed against the best playoff teams, who invariably play a superior brand of basketball.. Guys like Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are tasked with MAKING PLAYS for the Spurs - they aren't just play-finishers like Shumpert and JR Smith (who are actually more talented).
Are you a troll account?
Who were the great playmakers that Lebron neutered in the playoffs?
Talking like JR and Shump were great playmakers or have 1/10th the bball IQ of Patty Mills and Boris Diaw.
Lebron-led teams outscored teams like the 2016 Warriors, 2015 Hawks, 2013 Spurs, 2012 Thunder, 2011 Bulls, and 2007 Pistons, just put up a 115 offensive ranking against the 2017 Warriors, and even hung with the 2015 Warriors for 6 games with exhausted Delly and injured Shump as two of his top three sidekicks.
Lebron's team just scored 113 or more in 4 out of 5 games against a team with four elite defenders (Klay, Iggy, Durant, and Draymond) all on the floor at once for most of the game.
You can't name ONE player in NBA history who has faced as many top-rated defenses in the playoffs and done what he's done.
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cavs offense does not have tons of ball movement. its simple, you stick guys in a corner all game and you wonder why they lose focus in the game?
their offense is primarily Pick and rolls and isos. that's it. anybody can see this. irving and bron are 2 heavy onball players, which is why Kevin Love is not getting no touches outside whenever they force feed him?
do i have to pull up quotes from lebron or coaches talking about this exact same thing?
yall n1ggaz hate these reddit essays but they nothing but facts
Since Lebron has entered the league, I've been skeptical of the hype train surrounding him.....Something about his game just didn't interest me. His athleticism is otherworldly......being a decent athlete I personally am more impressed by skill level opposed to athletic ability. Lebron being 6'8 260+....his athleticism covers up the large blemishes in his offensive arsenal.
I say that to say it took a long time to admit to Lebron being the 2nd greatest basketball ever. He is.....now, GREATEST and BEST are two completely different arguements. Lebron has flaws. Plenty of them. The best parts of Lebron James game is his passing ability and his help defense. HELP defense. Lebron has NEVER been a great on-ball defender. That one series he guarded a Prime Derrick Rose (who can't shoot) in the playoffs and every1 heralded him as a lock down defender, he's not. Luol Deng, Prime Iggy, Paul George, Kawhi, KD, Caron Butler all guys that gave Lebron fits.....shoot I VIVIDLY remember Jason Terry saying "Lebron can't guard me for 7 games" then he proceeded to close out 4th quarters with Lebron guarding him for a championship in 2011......that happened. As a help defender he's the best, maybe ever.
Offensively, again, there are only three ways Lebron scores the ball when he has it: get a screen and drive to the rim, ISO back up to half court run full speed stiffarm to the rim, launch a 3....that's it. His midrange game is terrible unless he's feeling it. He doesn't have an array of moves and grace that the best basketball players ever have. His athleticism, IQ, and passing ability allows him to be a dangerous weapon offensively not his skill set.
Now to what I like to call "Bizarro Ball"......Lebron's whole niche since entering the league has been denouncing hero ball and "make the right basketball play".....the problem with this is it's the Bizarro version of hero ball. The concepts are the same, one guy dominates the basketball but instead of shooting the basketball Lebron passes it. Now, there's no problem with passing. I have a problem with one guy dominating the basketball and passing.....it's the same reason I don't enjoy watching Chris Paul. The point guard/point forward concept is losing basketball UNLESS the team is absolutely stacked or the guy dominating the ball is scoring at A LOT of points like 40+.....
The reason it's a problem is because since Lebron has to create (with either a screen or ISO) everybody else on the court essentially turns into a spot up shooter. Other guys can't create because they have no movement. They're expected to stay at a spot until Lebron passes it to them and if they miss they get the blamed for not making the shot. Chris Bosh was one of the most prolific scoring big men the league ever seen in Toronto. In Miami he was reduced a spot up stretch 4. Eliminating the midrange part of his game (the best part of his game) because Lebron needs driving lanes. The other downside is that Lebron is damn near useless off the ball. We can probably count one hand the amount of times someone has drove the lane, kicked it out to Lebron and he shot the damn shot. Instead, if they kick it out to him he catches and tries to make the "(un)necessary" extra pass....he ALWAYS has to have the assist.
The thing with Jordan and hero ball, at the end of the day if Jordan lost Jordan was to blame, if Kobe lost Kobe was to blame. You never heard anyone say "Kerr needs to be better, Pippen needs to be better, Kukoc gotta hit shots"...never, no matter how good or bad Jordan played it was his responsibility. With Bizarro Ball because Lebron's "making the right basketball play" everyone else gets blamed for not stepping up and winning the series. It's a wack narrative. Being the best means you finish the job.
The way the Warriors play it's all about movement....ball and player movement but when it's time KD hero balls it because he believes he's the best. If you believe you're the best you step up and prove it by closing the deal. Bizarro Ball is wack
youre shifting the argumentYour dumb ass has watched the last 5 years of basketball and honestly believes that there is any world in which Kyrie and Waiters totally change their games in order to become great facilitators of a motion system? You don't think that every coach they've ever had has been trying to get them to see the court better and pass more?
And TT actually HAS improved a lot in that regard, but improvement for him means, "Now he passes the ball back out to an open guy after an offensive board instead of dribbling in place under the basket." He is light years from ever being a Duncan or Draymond-like facilitator that you need in the motion.
Feel free to up this thread when Kyrie, Waiters, and TT become Tony Parker, Ginobli, and Duncan, running the motion to perfection.
TT / kyrie and waiters were all 22-23 when LBJ came back... ginobilli wast even in the league till like 23 if IIRC
lebron forced these players to be contenders. so they had no time for mistakes and improve on teamwork, that takes years to develop. you really setting careers in stone based on their 1st three seasons?
Waiters looked fine as a facilitator in OKC and Miami. just b/c its unlikely they become legendary, doesnt mean they couldnt get 70% there.
w/ blatt, they wouldve had a modern offense. waiters wouldve probably been gone anyway.
" You don't think that every coach they've ever had has been trying to get them to see the court better and pass more?"
thats literally the point of coaching... youre arguments shytty as hell
I'm surprised no one seems to have considered this
Bron was at his best in 2012 and 2013 season when he went to the post, he run back to Cleveland and completely goes away from what made him at his best smh
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so the Warriors aren't a super team?
so did Durant.
Lebron has been given the ball since he was 10 years old. No one has ever bothered to teach him other facets of the game.
I agree. My issue is that people are absolving him from that responsibility.He's definitely declined, but I'm not sure what quality defense you can expect from a wing player entering his 15th season who just passed Tim Duncan in playoff minutes.
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Silas and brown weren't the best to start a career with
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Rest In Power Kobe
Neither was PJ Carlisemo, Scott Brooks, and Billy Donovan.
Lebron was this type of player at 10 or 11. It had nothing to do with his NBA coaches.
Those coaches IMO were all better offensively than what LeBron had. How do you know how he was at that age?
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Bron did Blatt so dirty ....undermined him from day 1, man. I respect Bron, but he's such a bytch ass mfer at times
In all due respect.... if Blatt was such this amazing coach..... why did it take him so long to even get to coach in the NBA?
Also after he got fired? Why wasn't he quickly picked up by another team? Hell not even colleges was calling him?
Where is he now? He's a white man..... surely it would be easy to get back on the sideline right?
Naaaaa....... there are some things there that obviously you're ignoring with that situation..... maybe that dude just really wasn't a good NBA coach.... I mean it was a questionable hire in the first place.
I'm sure say if Bron stayed in Cleveland and he was hired..... he probably still wouldn't be in the league right now.
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