Why does Lebron refuse to go to a ball movement-heavy offense?

[mastermind]

Those coaches IMO were all better offensively than what LeBron had. How do you know how he was at that age?

they ran iso heavy offenses. Durant had to break a lot of bad habits to fit into the Golden State system because of that.

But Durant had a more varied offensive game because he always moved off the ball.

And I know Lebron was like that from that age because Lebron was a prodigy even from that age. Thats why he is one of the 5 best players ever.

 

[Karume]

they ran iso heavy offenses. Durant had to break a lot of bad habits to fit into the Golden State system because of that.

But Durant had a more varied offensive game because he always moved off the ball.

And I know Lebron was like that from that age because Lebron was a prodigy even from that age. Thats why he is one of the 5 best players ever.

So basically you don't know you're assuming...cool

 

[threattonature]

I dont know if this has been pointed out but the Cavs had the GOAT-playoff offense this year. So it makes very little sense to want LeBron to do things differently offensively.

Defense is what cost them the 'ship this year since they flat out couldnt stop GSW from scoring.

The whole point is consider why they have a GOAT level offense. It's beccause they focused so heavily on getting one dimensional shooters around Lebron that they punted on playmaking and on defense. Outside of Shumpert and Tristan if you couldn't shoot you couldn't play basically. That'll be damn near every other team but when you go up against a team with a GOAT level offense and defense chances are you'll come up short. If Cavs had more of a motion based offense then they could have a more diverse cast around Lebron and be more flexible in the types of lineups they can throw out there. Shaun Livingston and Iggy probably wouldn't get to see the court with these Cavs because they wouldn't see the ball enough to take advantage of their strengths with the ball in Lebron and Kyrie's hands so much which is exactly the type of players they need.

 

[mastermind]

So basically you don't know you're assuming...cool

Im assuming that Lebron James was the best player on the court from 10 years old on up? If you say so, but we saw that this is how he played in HS as well. We saw the videos of him at summer camps, etc. I mean the evidence is there, but you can keep your head in the sand and think that individual playing styles and ability are only developed by NBA coaches. Despite the fact that you dismissed that Durant played in similar systems in OKC yet does not play the same way as Lebron.

 

[jwinfield]

Dude got a whole new term created for small forwards, the "poiint forward"

 

[Karume]

Im assuming that Lebron James was the best player on the court from 10 years old on up? If you say so, but we saw that this is how he played in HS as well. We saw the videos of him at summer camps, etc. I mean the evidence is there, but you can keep your head in the sand and think that individual playing styles and ability are only developed by NBA coaches. Despite the fact that you dismissed that Durant played in similar systems in OKC yet does not play the same way as Lebron.

You're comment about individual playing styles supports my stance not yours.

 

[Gold]

Its impossible to run a ball movement heavy offense with Kyrie anywhere near the court.
Kyrie does more iso than Russel Westbrook (which is amazing considering who he has on his team)
Go back and watch and see how often Kyrie brings it up and everyone clears out to give him room to work.

However all of ya'll non-basketball watching fans were talking about how great Kyrie was when he was making impossible shots.
But you saw how terrible that iso ball offense was in the second half of game 5 when he went Kyrie.

And they made no attempts at an adjustments, you had several possessions that were 0 to 1 pass from the Cavs.


And some of ya'll have to nerve to say Kyrie is better than Steph

This forum

 

[mastermind]

You're comment about individual playing styles supports my stance not yours.

No it doesn't

Your stance is that Lebron never played for good offensive coaches in the NBA and that's why he plays this way. I pointed out Durant's coaches and your only response was "well Durant's coaches were better." Not that they had different offensive philosophies but that they were "better."

You don't seem to have any response.

All I've said is Durant has been playing this way since he was young, just like Lebron has played this way since he was young. You don't actually have any real rebuttal.

Dude got a whole new term created for small forwards, the "poiint forward"

That term was not created for Lebron, breh

 

[Karume]

No it doesn't

Your stance is that Lebron never played for good offensive coaches in the NBA and that's why he plays this way. I pointed out Durant's coaches and your only response was "well Durant's coaches were better." Not that they had different offensive philosophies but that they were "better."

You don't seem to have any response.

All I've said is Durant has been playing this way since he was young, just like Lebron has played this way since he was young. You don't actually have any real rebuttal.

You're trying to argue semantics. In any meaningful sense if a person says a coach is better offensively then they generally run things other than just what the other coach runs. That doesn't mean that those other coaches never run I so it's that they run more additional options than silas/brown which would have altered LeBron's development.

You gave the only rebuttal needed as you only offered conjecture.

 

[mastermind]

You're trying to argue semantics. In any meaningful sense if a person says a coach is better offensively then they generally run things other than just what the other coach runs. That doesn't mean that those other coaches never run I so it's that they run more additional options than silas/brown which would have altered LeBron's development.

You gave the only rebuttal needed as you only offered conjecture.

Thats not semantics. Thats me saying that OKC ran very iso-heavy ball with Durant just like Brown did with Lebron. Scott Brooks may be a better coach than Mike Brown, but both dudes offenses are based on having ball dominant players create offense. That is discussing different offensive philosophies, not making a semantics case. Semantics would be that Mike Brown is black and Scott Brooks is white, so thats why they are different.

Like I said before, you are not offering much to this discussion.

 

[Karume]

Thats not semantics. Thats me saying that OKC ran very iso-heavy ball with Durant just like Brown did with Lebron. Scott Brooks may be a better coach than Mike Brown, but both dudes offenses are based on having ball dominant players create offense. That is discussing different offensive philosophies, not making a semantics case. Semantics would be that Mike Brown is black and Scott Brooks is white, so thats why they are different.

Like I said before, you are not offering much to this discussion.

You haven't offered anything that says I'm wrong, other than your conjecture. So do you need me to help you?

 

[Cynic]

No

He's never had a major injury so why not.... ?

 

[mastermind]

You haven't offered anything that says I'm wrong, other than your conjecture. So do you need me to help you?

I said Durant played in ISO-heavy offenses in OKC and you decided that it does not count. I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was a kid, and NBA coaches were not going to change that because he is one of hte best talents ever. You decided that pre-NBA development does not matter.

 

[Karume]

He's never had a major injury so why not.... ?

Why lose playing years?

I agree changes should be considered just nothing that drastic

 

[Karume]

I said Durant played in ISO-heavy offenses in OKC and you decided that it does not count. I said Lebron has been playing this way since he was a kid, and NBA coaches were not going to change that because he is one of hte best talents ever. You decided that pre-NBA development does not matter.

You are confused. I never suggested pre nba development didn't matter. In fact it matters greatly IMO.