Why does Mugabe get alot of love from some black people?

[I.AM.PIFF]

Zimbabwe's 2013 GDP, as reported by the World Bank, is almost as high as it was in 1980 (the year land reform began):

Believe cac lies and propaganda, brehs.

Have no idea what you're talking about, brehs

 

[Broke Wave]

Have no idea what you're talking about, brehs

Inflaaaaaaation brehs

Also, the gdp per capita =\= median income sooooo hes confused

 

[Yup]

@ Cacs teaching the people anything about agriculture. You think those Rhodesians was actually in the field?

The only thing they could've passed on were their links to selling shyt to foreigners, like the tobacco and maize markets but we all know why that didnt happen.

I hope South Africans wake up too, they're holding Africa back

So you think zims would choose to starve instead over being able to plow the land if they had the necessary skills?

Live in a country where supermarkets are freely accessable and talk so much ish brehs. What do you know about agriculture/farming. You think it's just planting seeds in your backyard and see crops grow?

What machinery or technology do you know africans have to be able to produce the output of crops that the west can create. You guys are so annoying...you live in a country where white control/operate evere major aspect of governance and think you know how an african country runs?

Africa isn't North America or EU. The continent is severly behind on all technological advancements that is common place in the west. A lot of things that are archaic here are still used there.

Love how you mention another white runned country like south africa. Instead one of the 54+ countries that exist on the continent.

I can tell you are completely clueless and that your knowledge is very limited.

The most resource rich country in africa is the central african countries(ie/ congos/central african republic, etc...)
I personally believe that the african leader isn't going to be south Africa. I suspect it maybe coming from the western region. My bets are on Nigeria and/or Ivory Coast.

South Africa is like North African countries....It is geographically located in the continent but is more aligned with europe than a leader within Africa regardless of the black government whichis just a figurehead anyway.

There are a couple Africans who peak n the topic...you think we just want to claim on our peoples ignorance for kicks. IT IS BEING SAID BECAUSE IT IS THE REALITY.

 

[Man]

So you think zims would choose to starve instead over being able to plow the land if they had the necessary skills?

Live in a country where supermarkets are freely accessable and talk so much ish brehs. What do you know about agriculture/farming. You think it's just planting seeds in your backyard and see crops grow?

What machinery or technology do you know africans have to be able to produce the output of crops that the west can create. You guys are so annoying...you live in a country where white control/operate evere major aspect of governance and think you know how an african country runs?

Africa isn't North America or EU. The continent is severly behind on all technological advancements that is common place in the west. A lot of things that are archaic here are still used there.

Love how you mention another white runned country like south africa. Instead one of the 54+ countries that exist on the continent.

I can tell you are completely clueless and that your knowledge is very limited.

The most resource rich country in africa is the central african countries(ie/ congos/central african republic, etc...)
I personally believe that the african leader isn't going to be south Africa. I suspect it maybe coming from the western region. My bets are on Nigeria and/or Ivory Coast.

South Africa is like North African countries....It is geographically located in the continent but is more aligned with europe than a leader within Africa regardless of the black government whichis just a figurehead anyway.

There are a couple Africans who peak n the topic...you think we just want to claim on our peoples ignorance for kicks. IT IS BEING SAID BECAUSE IT IS THE REALITY.

I own land in Zimbabwe

 

[Thabo]

He gets love for being hard on cacs.

Unfortunately that is the problem with Africa. Peeps are obsessed with white people instead of actually improving the lives of the people in their countries. That's why I have so much respect for East Asian leaders, they have their priorities in order.

 

[Yup]

I own land in Zimbabwe

my points still stand. Do you live in zim or cultivate the land? Owning land means nothing....

 

[Thabo]

And also this, "turned Zimbabwe from the breadbasket of Africa to a major food aid recipient with a few years" is a common crap that salty white racist south Africans spew. Black Zimbabweans under white rule were not under some utopia.

Who said it was? That's the sad part he was justified in taking the land after Britain reneged on the agreement. But instead of giving it to the workers who worked in the farms and had experience, he gave it to his cronies who had no interest in farming the land nor the technical knowledge and basically destroyed his country. The facts speak for themselves and he admitted he made a blunder on the land but it is too late now to fix it.

 

[thernbroom]

put your hopes into politicians brehs

says a n1gga that's never been back to africa

 

[Yup]

Who said it was? That's the sad part he was justified in taking the land after Britain reneged on the agreement. But instead of giving it to the workers who worked in the farms and had experience, he gave it to his cronies who had no interest in farming the land nor the technical knowledge and basically destroyed his country. The facts speak for themselves and he admitted he made a blunder on the land but it is too late now to fix it.

exactly he did it for brownie points. To act like was taking stand while plunging the country into a crisis. Now he has his tail between his legs asking for these farmers to come back.

 

[Thabo]

How do you know who the diamonds benefit and what they are used towards? Answer: you don't. So why are you lying?

As a South African I can comment. I know that the diamonds aren't used to benefit the people, they use the money to fund lavish lives and pay off the military. Zimbabwe has shown no signs of improving and things are getting worse. They have been in the news recently for having 18 hours load shedding and this has been bad for their economy as industry depends on electricity, but Mugabe doesn't care he has a generator for his needs.

 

[thernbroom]

 

[Birnin Zana]

exactly he did it for brownie points. To act like was taking stand while plunging the country into a crisis. Now he has his tail between his legs asking for these farmers to come back.

Actually, from what I've read, he did it more or less because of internal political pressure from the war veterans. At the time, it was almost 20 years and no inroads were made to transition the land by to the country. And Blair reneged on the deal around that time.

It was either siding with the Brits (and the West) or side with his party and the war vets. He chose the war vets.

If I'm off base somewhere, please correct me. I'm willing to learn more about this entire situation.

 

[Thabo]

Demonization of Mugabe does not work outside of the west, everywhere else he is quite popular. You cannot hide facts, and they do not have total control over information. I for one fully back Mugabe and support whatever actions he does against the shameless western puppet Morgan Tsvangirai.
Everyone in Africa also sees nothing wrong with the land reclamation, the west will not pay for an orderly and fair land reform that was similar to what was done around the world and was sorely needed, then tough luck we will simply take it.

The silly attempt at pointing the responsibility of the economic collapse of Zimbabwe on Mugabe is also not seen the same way by everyone.
We can all see how much the western embargo is to blame.The only criticism of the handling of the crisis I would give is the dropping of the currency. It was the best of several terrible solutions but they could have been more imaginative, more open minded and controversial.

If he setup a real public banking system and issued his own debt free currency and spent it on infrastructure all under tight currency control, the west would have dropped their embargo reversed their demonetization efforts and try to bribe him back under the old system, because the massive success that it would create would lead others to follow his naughty example.

Sorry but you have no idea what you are talking about. Mugabe is hated here in South Africa and other SADC countries, he has literally turned his people into beggars who are treated like trash in foreign countries forced to beg for a living despite the country's potential. Mugabe is no hero he is a fraud who ran his country into the ground. Tsvangirai is not a puppet he is desperately trying to pull back the country from the abyss and stop the flow of human capital.

 

[Birnin Zana]

I think when its all said and done, the truth will be somewhere in between.

Mugabe made a lot of mistakes and things that are worthy of condemnation. The land transitioning could've been much smoother. The overall handling of the economy during the crisis was not a good look. The deaths of about 20,000 Ndebele people are more or less in his hands. And many, many other things.

At the same time, to discount the actions of the west will be unfair. The west knew he had a hand in the 20,000 deaths, yet did nothing to him. In fact, the Brits made him a member of the knighthood, and the queen of England even visited Zimbabwe in the 90s. We have to remember that Mugabe was actually a supporter of a reconciliation-style transition (which South Africa did later on), which the West were happy about. So long that was the policy wasn't rocked, all was good.

Where things changed was when Blair reneged on the deal that was agreed at independence. Then Mugabe started getting pressure from the war vets (from the war for independence), as not much progress in land redistribution has happened after almost 20 years. Then Mugabe chose to get the land via force. Then came the western propaganda, the sanctions, and so on. The rest is history.

Is he a great leader? I don't think so, but he's quite popular in Africa, despite everything. It would've been one thing if he was completely left to his own devices, but when there's clear foreign intervention (and probably since the beginning), it blurs the picture greatly.

Personally, I think the land issues will come to a head sooner or later in other Southern African countries such as South Africa and Namibia. Zimbabwe more or less got theirs out of the way much earlier, although it was much sloppier too.

 

[Man]

my points still stand. Do you live in zim or cultivate the land? Owning land means nothing....

With all due respect, I dont think you know anything about what you're spewing, in any detail, and I've ironically only skimmed your posts.

Look, things are not that bad in the country and will get worse over the next 2 years but will be way better in the long run.

I suggest you visit the country. My favorite African country then Kenya then Tanzania