Why does Obama support TPP?

[Domingo Halliburton]

I hope when they pass this the US immediately loses some multibillion dollar lawsuit with BHP Billiton or Mitsubishi or something.

 

[BaggerofTea]

He is a neo-liberal who was financed by American globalists whose job was it to ensure that corporations can act with the utmost capital efficiency when engaging in multinational transactions.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

It's a mix of 1 and 2. He's a neoliberal through and through. Not because he's evil, but because he truly believes it's the best way forward for America. He also has a personal love for the Asian values exemplified by placed like Singapore. He truly believes that Asia is the future, which is why his administration made the pivot to Asia a priority. I don't think Obama has any sentimentality towards the American working class that is being gutted by policies like this. I personally think he believes they're too stupid to know that their way of life is unsustainable, so he's going to drag them into the future kicking and screaming. That's why there's a natural rift between old school leftists like Bernie who have an inherent distrust of the corporate class, and new school neoliberals like Obama who are more cosmopolitan and grew up in an era when that old school leftist ideology was no longer en vogue. The recent health care battle was a perfect proxy for that ideological rift. Bernie wants a big government approach, which is considered an embarrassing anachronism to new school neoliberals like Obama. They've accepted the primacy of the corporate class as a given, so they go with the flow, so to speak.

This. If you ever study political economy in school or elsewhere, it's pretty established that Democrats feign like they care about protecting working class jobs but actually believe that freer markets and open economies are the future. They understand the losses people will take but believe that it makes sense in the long term and the benefits from cheaper products outweighs that. But that's not why things like the TPP are dangerous. Aside from what it does to jobs, it allows foreign companies to basically bypass US regulations whenever they come in conflict with the company's interests. They appeal to tribunals instead of US courts. For example, Phillip Morris is currently bypassing all of South Korea's anti-smoking laws.

Anyhow, Professor Reed predicted who Obama was back in 1996:

While you both are very convincing, I think the answer is much simpler than this.

TPP is akin to cold war economic policy. It's purpose is to ensure US influence in the Asian marketplace, thus providing some level of political sway throughout the region. The US is willing to sacrifice their labor workforce in order to reap the benefits of multinational profits and Asian marketplace co-dependence. It's the best alternative to direct confrontation with China or allowing China to exploit a country going through tremendous economic decline.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Vietnam is gonna off TPP btw. I guess it's small retribution for blowing up, gunning down, and burning alive a significant portion of their population for over the course of a decade +.

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

The idea that TPP is "free trade" is huge error...if it was it wouldnt need 6000 pages and secret negotiations

TPP is basically a standardization and exporting of the rules benefiting Barrys corporate masters.patent laws,IP laws,environmental standards,consumer regulations.
Its delusional to believe supra national protected monopolies are gonna be any good for the average person.
Once they are globalized it will be next to impossible for any member states govt to modify the rules on their own without causing an international incident

Barry is turning out to be the best president the corporations ever had.

 

[StatUS]

It's the gold standard baby! but in its final form I don't support it but I won't fight against.

I wonder if Trump still thinks China is apart of this

Election 2016 yall

 

[BaggerofTea]

The idea that TPP is "free trade" is huge error...if it was it wouldnt need 6000 pages and secret negotiations

TPP is basically a standardization and exporting of the rules benefiting Barrys corporate masters.patent laws,IP laws,environmental standards,consumer regulations.
Its delusional to believe supra national protected monopolies are gonna be any good for the average person.
Once they are globalized it will be next to impossible for any member states govt to modify the rules on their own without causing an international incident

Barry is turning out to be the best president the corporations ever had.

This is capitalism nutshell, you should be for this

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

This is capitalism nutshell, you should be for this

Capitalism=NOT= Corporatism

 

[BaggerofTea]

Capitalism=NOT= Corporatism

You sound like someone disowning a limb that belongs to them.

 

[No1]

While you both are very convincing, I think the answer is much simpler than this.

TPP is akin to cold war economic policy. It's purpose is to ensure US influence in the Asian marketplace, thus providing some level of political sway throughout the region. The US is willing to sacrifice their labor workforce in order to reap the benefits of multinational profits and Asian marketplace co-dependence. It's the best alternative to direct confrontation with China or allowing China to exploit a country going through tremendous economic decline.

I agree. I think it all comes together as one coherent vision. All those things lead to the same decision.

 

[King Kreole]

btw everybody make sure to tune into Trump's speech today

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

You sound like someone disowning a limb that belongs to them.

Remind me again what part of capitalism required the politicians to set up legal and regulatory barriers to protect monopolies that contribute large sums to aforementioned politicians?....i cant seem to find it in my copy of "Laissez faire capitalism for dummies"

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The idea that TPP is "free trade" is huge error...if it was it wouldnt need 6000 pages and secret negotiations

TPP is basically a standardization and exporting of the rules benefiting Barrys corporate masters.patent laws,IP laws,environmental standards,consumer regulations.
Its delusional to believe supra national protected monopolies are gonna be any good for the average person.
Once they are globalized it will be next to impossible for any member states govt to modify the rules on their own without causing an international incident

Barry is turning out to be the best president the corporations ever had.

This argument seems like one of the most easily debunked ever.

Look.

They employ either americans, or asians.

You pick.

But to ignore the fact that having policies favorable to highly mobile, gargantuan companies isn't helpful to the nations they reside in, is the epitome of naivety.

Damn near all of The Coli works for some corporation or some sort and they'd be even more pissed if they had to actually consider selling drugs or ass to put food on the table.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

While you both are very convincing, I think the answer is much simpler than this.

TPP is akin to cold war economic policy. It's purpose is to ensure US influence in the Asian marketplace, thus providing some level of political sway throughout the region. The US is willing to sacrifice their labor workforce in order to reap the benefits of multinational profits and Asian marketplace co-dependence. It's the best alternative to direct confrontation with China or allowing China to exploit a country going through tremendous economic decline.

Well...yeah. Obama literally says "we want to write the rules, not china"

You can't be more explicit than that.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I personally think he believes they're too stupid to know that their way of life is unsustainable, so he's going to drag them into the future kicking and screaming.

Obama's gonna go down as one of the GOATs. Sue me

The recent health care battle was a perfect proxy for that ideological rift. Bernie wants a big government approach, which is considered an embarrassing anachronism to new school neoliberals like Obama. They've accepted the primacy of the corporate class as a given, so they go with the flow, so to speak.

Well...hold on now. Obama has stated single payer (not necessarily universal cover) is ultimately the goal, but the current system is the result of careful compromise and realistic circumstances.

Dudes like Bernie have never had real skin in the game so they're free to talk out their asses.