Blackout
just your usual nerdy brotha
So now Im reaching because you guys sound confused?Y'all reaching for the stars cause your hurt

Im trying to see the truth yet Im seeing two conflicting messages.

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So now Im reaching because you guys sound confused?Y'all reaching for the stars cause your hurt


I see....no white men having waves.![]()
....Well anyway, what about white men 

waves require pomade, warm water, brush and a wave cap. what's not natural about it? no lye, no glue, no
sew in, no hair w/someone elses dna required.
and waves didnt become trendy because of mixed men, come on now. look at all the products for waves, always a dark skinned nikka on the cover
You asked me to compare one type of hair to another and ask me what I see and thats what I did and told you.at you giving up on your own point.
You: Want me to post pictures of how Black men used to conk their hair?
Me: Yes.
You:....Well anyway, what about white men
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You asked me to compare one type to another and thats what I did.
Conk is straight aka european while waves have no connection to euopean styles.
Could you make up your mind as to what you want?![]()

The difference is that the conk was more european and it existed during a time where men straightened their hair like Europeans.The only difference in the conk and waves is that waves lay flat and the conk often did not. If you were to lay the conk style flat/ brush it down to the scalp it'd look like waves. The conk was not entirely straight, it was known to have a loose "wave" look to it. If you look at one of the most famous pictures of Malcolm X before his conversion he is wearing a conk. If you say that conk does not look like how so many Black men try to get their hair to look with waves I'd say you're lying. But it is what it is. If people rather deny and be dishonest than address our issues as a people because they want to one up in some silly gender war, what more can be said/done![]()
i've never used texturizer to get waves. like i said, a brush, warm water, pomade, wave cap. how is it not natural? what harmful chemicals are going into my head?You do know the boxes you're talking about are texturizer right? Even the pomades have men with texturized hair on it. Those are chemicals dear.
Again, thats not what your hair looks like. Thats what mixed men's hair looks like.
The difference is that the conk was more european and it existed during a time where men straightened their hair like Europeans.
Men jumped off of european styles to waves and clean cuts to low cuts which their natural hair shows which dont look european at all.
Women need to make that jump.
Miss if black men wanted a conk they could get it easily and stop getting waves.
It just looks like your reaching at this point.
i've never used texturizer to get waves. like i said, a brush, warm water, pomade, wave cap. how is it not natural? what harmful chemicals are going into my head?
mixed dudes cant even get tight waves cus they dont have the naps for it.
but anything to deflect from sewing or gluing someone elses DNA into your scalp.

what is this? more "exceptions are the rule" game from BW? hey @Willstyles, you're a male feminist w/waves. what harmful chemicals did you put in your scalp to get them?Women ARE making that jump. This is being discounted. But you want me to not take into account the altering Black men are doing because they are slowly getting back to showing their naps as is too? That's unfair.
Plus, the difference is, women are not shaving their hair off or trying to find some other way to make their naps look more mixed and exotic. That is why they are rocking TWAs (which you all still mock), fro-hawks, fro-podors, and all whole host of other styles that truly you could not find on any woman but a Black woman, and that includes mixed women. Because we are doing all that WITHOUT trying so hard to loosen their curl texture, unlike Black men who are doing just that and then turning back around and pointing at us claiming we are the only ones with issues with our hair.
Sure you haven't. All of a sudden all the thousands of youtube videos of Black boys telling other Black boys how to get waves are just them saying throw some water on your head and brush. I'm sure thats what all the forums dedicated to it are doing too. And I bet there is no hierarchy on which type of waves look best, the looser, "ocean waves" or the kinky, rug waves.
Matter fact I bet I couldn't find one video of a Black man putting texturizer on his head to get the loose curl look that come naturally to biracial Black men. I'm sure texturizers are never used in the barber shops and can't even be found there![]()
I support women who make that jump but we need more. We need them catching up to the men.Women ARE making that jump. This is being discounted. But you want me to not take into account the altering Black men are doing because they are slowly getting back to showing their naps as is too? That's unfair.
Plus, the difference is, women are not shaving their hair off or trying to find some other way to make their naps look more mixed and exotic. That is why they are rocking TWAs (which you all still mock), fro-hawks, fro-podors, and all whole host of other styles that truly you could not find on any woman but a Black woman, and that includes mixed women. Because we are doing all that WITHOUT trying so hard to loosen their curl texture, unlike Black men who are doing just that and then turning back around and pointing at us claiming we are the only ones with issues with our hair.
I support women who make that jump but we need more.
My only issue is women imitating europeans.
Black men arent trying to imitate european hairstyles since most of us aren't straitening out our hair like them and blond hair isnt common among us. As Ive said you cut your hair for a job and the wave hairstyle isnt euopean and many black men are rocking nappy hair.
what is this? more "exceptions are the rule" game from BW? hey @Willstyles, you're a male feminist w/waves. what harmful chemicals did you put in your scalp to get them?
chemicals? Olive oil and coconut oil with a Diane brush and wave comb 
Miss white women have straight hair and blonde hair.You might not be trying to imitate European hairstyles, but neither are Black women. You might find this hard to believe, and I'm sure you'll deny it, but thats not the purpose of weave or relaxers.
Instead, what you're trying to do when you go to lengths to make your hair look less nappy, less kinky, less Black with waves, or shave, cut, and scalp yourselves to not show your natural hair texture, you are trying to dilute/downplay your blackness. You even hinted at it talking about employment for Black men (of course you'd never allow employment to be an excuse for why Black women do not wear their hair natural). This dilution/downplaying of Blackness is the exact same thing Black women are doing when they put weaves in their head.
If you think Black women are trying to look like white women, well, you're wrong. If you say Black women are trying to look like mixed, "I got Indian in my family" women, well, you have a point. But my argument is that the same thing is the case for Black men it just presents itself in a different way. But y'all are steady denying reality because truth be told you all need this one point about hair to be true and to be a win for Black men because you know in terms of everything else, Black men's self hatred is so far beyond Black women's its not even worth discussing, which the OP aptly concluded.
Now I'm done with the back and forth. You can keep deluding yourselves, to yourselves.
chemicals? Olive oil and coconut oil with a Diane brush and wave comb
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