Why don't more players pull a Jennings and go overseas for a year?

[O.G.B]

And yet Jennings hated his time there and looks the same player he was in HS. I also do wonder if his draft stock fell slightly because of that.

And he was not getting paid consistently.

Getting paid consistently/on time and not getting paid at all are two different things all together, and regardless if Jennings game looks somewhat similar to when he was in high school, dude is still one of the better point guards in the league who has improved statistically overall each year.

Jennings draft stock may have dropped somewhat (Jennings was projected to go anywhere from 3 - 14 in the draft after going to Italy) but this is all subjective, as we don't know if it had anything to do with his play overseas or not, plus the same scenario could've also happened if he went to college and had a lackluster season. The monies Jennings received along with the valuable experience of being a pioneer playing overseas in one of the top professional leagues in Europe can only help benefit him in long run mentally and physically in the NBA.

 

[O.G.B]

I dont think either really does, but thats just my opinion. Just like I dont know if being an 18 year old in the NBA hurts development. There is no evidence for any positive or negative.

My only issue with going overseas to play, outside of the fact that it is bullshyt that 18 year old (black) kids have to go overseas to get paid to play pro basketball, is that the pay is inconsistent.

Actually going overseas via the Brandon Jennings protocol is the loophole that some top flight high school/ potential collegiate NBA prospects should be utilizing more because it's still a win-win for both the NBA and the athlete, while taking the NCAA out of the equation plus there are more positives that may outweigh the minor negatives for many of the players who have the opportunity.

 

[tremonthustler1]

FOH, they are still drafting 19 year old projects. Nerlens Noel aint no where near NBA ready, yet was going to be the number one pick.

Dont believe that owner crap, and the stupid shyt Billy Hunter told you.

If the owners and GMs dont think an 18 year is good enough, then dont draft them. NO one has a gun to their heads.

The truth is 70 percent of these GMs suck at their jobs and need to be spoonfed.


Tell me, what is the difference between drafting Nerlens Noel at 18 vs drafting him at 19 and with a torn ACL he is overcoming?

That's just it. They assume that being heralded at 18 = you will be good enough. It's no different than the pros except the average fan actually knows who Nerlens Noel is. GMs simply need to do their homework to know whether they're passing up the next big thing. The rule shouldn't even be in existence, and notice how they never raised the limit. They never will. They don't wanna lose any relationship they have with the Euro clubs.

 

[mastermind]

Actually going overseas via the Brandon Jennings protocol is the loophole that some top flight high school/ potential collegiate NBA prospects should be utilizing more because it's still a win-win for both the NBA and the athlete, while taking the NCAA out of the equation plus there are more positives that may outweigh the minor negatives for many of the players who have the opportunity.

There is no gain for NBA teams to have top HS talent play in Europe.

There is no evidence it improved Jennings or Jeremy Tyler. The style of basketball and the culture is completely different.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

FOH, they are still drafting 19 year old projects. Nerlens Noel aint no where near NBA ready, yet was going to be the number one pick.

Dont believe that owner crap, and the stupid shyt Billy Hunter told you.

If the owners and GMs dont think an 18 year is good enough, then dont draft them. NO one has a gun to their heads.

The truth is 70 percent of these GMs suck at their jobs and need to be spoonfed.


Tell me, what is the difference between drafting Nerlens Noel at 18 vs drafting him at 19 and with a torn ACL he is overcoming?

What no one wants to hear is that it will behoove the NCAA and NBA to implement a 3 year rule. It would make the NBA farm system(NCAA) and the NBA itself a much better product.

The talent coming into the NBA will be more mature, better prepared, and have star power to sell immediate tickets due to being prepped and branded while playing collegiate ball.

Now is a 3 year rule fair. Absolutely not. They have it in football as well and its not fair for them either. DeJaveon Clowney could have played pro ball at 19, but I digress.

You'll never see true farm systems for NFL/NBA where kids can go play and develop and get paid. It would take too much money out of the NCAA's pocket

And the reason why kids don't go overseas and get that guap out of high school is because our culture has made us spoiled and not willing to work as hard as we should.

 

[tremonthustler1]

if the NBA really cared they'd have a 3 year since graduation rule which they dont. And you still would get bust and suprises. How come EUROS can come over but americans cant?

I also think the ball was dropped greatly on the NBADL make the teams 10 man rosters that way better talent is in the NBADL every state with an NBA team has a damn NBADL team. Man fukk it.

The NBADL should be a minor league the player get's drafter out of HS or college if he isn't NBA ready he goes to the NBADL. If he's a 8 yr veteran whose stinking it up send him to the NBADL and so on. No way Hasheem Thabeet shouldn't of spent his first 3 seasons in the NBADL.

They can't. The Euros don't show up any earlier. A 3 year rule would ensure more kids go overseas and that Euros may just stay away, especially if you're on an elite ball club who can offer a lucrative deal.

The problem with the D League is that it's very hard to turn the NBA Draft into the MLB Draft. An NBA team doesn't believe in the D League as much because coaches believe the player, as raw as he is, is best suited to learn and develop with the big league club, even if he doesn't play (especially since they don't give you extra roster spots whether you send the player down or not). It's not like baseball where if you send a player down to the minors, someone comes up. In NBA, if you call someone up, either you had an empty roster spot or you threw someone in the bushes.

Not every team owns their own affiliate either. That's something the NBA is shooting for, and they hope more callups happen. Unfortunately you won't see this mass increase in talent because if you're really that good, you're either already on an NBA team or making money overseas. If Hasheem Thabeet spent 3 years in D-League-- essentially his entire rookie contract-- Grizzlies fans would be pissed and now you have to deal with having to give a 2nd, richer contract to a player you didn't even think was good enough to be with the pro team. You might as well not draft him.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

There is no gain for NBA teams to have top HS talent play in Europe.

There is no evidence it improved Jennings or Jeremy Tyler. The style of basketball and the culture is completely different.

Can you recall college basketball during the 80s and 90s?

It was a great product wasn't it?

Look at it now. Its laughable. Any prospect with NBA potential is not increasing his skillset by playing college ball right now because the game has become a joke.

So if I had a kid in this situation, I would persuade him to play against better competition that will hone his skills for the NBA. All while getting paid mind you

 

[606onit]

Wouldn’t it be cool if you as a black American male set up shop (family, language, biz relationships, that pack ) in a region like Barca or Madrid…..U usher these young urban talents into the local culture as they do their 1-2 year bid before entering the league? That’d be a cool little hustle.

I’m all for brothers leaving this land and getting more GLOBAL ALLIES too, so…… #GetYour Paper.

 

[mastermind]

Can you recall college basketball during the 80s and 90s?

It was a great product wasn't it?

Look at it now. Its laughable. Any prospect with NBA potential is not increasing his skillset by playing college ball right now because the game has become a joke.

So if I had a kid in this situation, I would persuade him to play against better competition that will hone his skills for the NBA. All while getting paid mind you

I've never been a believer of the college game actually improving top tier talent.

While I admit there is a talent drain in college, the real problem is because of the charges and chippy play. Dudes straight foul in college ball and it doesn't get called. It's been that way the last 5-6 years.

It's not about developing talent. Lebron James would have wasted 3 years of his earning potential there. Same with Durant, Kobe, Rose, and many others.

 

[O.G.B]

There is no gain for NBA teams to have top HS talent play in Europe.

There is no evidence it improved Jennings or Jeremy Tyler. The style of basketball and the culture is completely different.

I disagree, as high school/collegiate basketball prodigies could train with actual professionals from all over the world and gain more valuable insight from competing against better players while being richly compensated which wouldn't cost the NBA a dime, plus NBA scouts & GM's could use the same evaluation processes they already have in place to draft international players.

Furthermore, it doesn't make any difference if the "style" of international basketball is unlike the NBA, college basketball is quite different as well thus there isn't any evidence that going to a premier Division I program for 1-4 years would have enhanced Jennings or Tyler's basketball skill sets either.

 

[MikelArteta]

nyggas are stupid, id high tail it over to europe for a year, get paid see a new culture, get pampered then come back and get drafted. college football players would do the same If there was another league (cfl doesnt pay that much)

 

[MikelArteta]

i googled jeremy tyler and hes in the nba making 700k this year and is only 22

tyler earned 140k as a 18 year old>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rotting away in college where he would have got exposed anyways

 

[MikelArteta]

I've never been a believer of the college game actually improving top tier talent.

While I admit there is a talent drain in college, the real problem is because of the charges and chippy play. Dudes straight foul in college ball and it doesn't get called. It's been that way the last 5-6 years.

It's not about developing talent. Lebron James would have wasted 3 years of his earning potential there. Same with Durant, Kobe, Rose, and many others.

i agree, its usually only fringe players who develop in college, or guy who had amazing skills but were passed over because to skinny, to short and then they showed they could ball.

college basketball is totally different than the nba, the 3 point line is diff, the shot clock makes the game much more slower, as teams run like 20 second plays etc., there is barely any iso, how is say being at vcu full court pressing all game long gonna prepare you for the nba?

 

[mastermind]

I disagree, as high school/collegiate basketball prodigies could train with actual professionals from all over the world and gain more valuable insight from competing against better players while being richly compensated which wouldn't cost the NBA a dime, plus NBA scouts & GM's could use the same evaluation processes they already have in place to draft international players.

Furthermore, it doesn't make any difference if the "style" of international basketball is unlike the NBA, college basketball is quite different as well thus there isn't any evidence that going to a premier Division I program for 1-4 years would have enhanced Jennings or Tyler's basketball skill sets either.

there is no evidence of this.

Look at how many players came from Europe, after playing in their professional leagues at 16-18, and been busts in the NBA. There is no evidence to show that playing in Europe for a year helps in any way. shyt, there has been more of a recent trend of European players coming to American colleges and playing college ball here.

What they play in Europe is a different game than what is played in the NBA.

I am not saying the European game cant help players develop or help their profile. What I am saying is that there is no real evidence of this.

 

[MikelArteta]

there is no evidence of this.

Look at how many players came from Europe, after playing in their professional leagues at 16-18, and been busts in the NBA. There is no evidence to show that playing in Europe for a year helps in any way. shyt, there has been more of a recent trend of European players coming to American colleges and playing college ball here.

What they play in Europe is a different game than what is played in the NBA.

I am not saying the European game cant help players develop or help their profile. What I am saying is that there is no real evidence of this.

yup
hell even most folks top ten right now
are all freshmen and sophmores, guys who were 4 and 5 star recruits

look at cj mcollum he was a 5';6 high school guard who grew to 5';11 in his junior year, and was recruited by a garbage basketball school, and then grew again, these are the type of players that college helps, same with a guy like steph curry, skinny undersized have to prove himself