Why don't people use the same argument for Tom Brady that they do Lebron James?

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Bball loses affect your legacy more because you play both sides of the ball.

2 out of 3 of Bradys loses were fukkin miracles...and this last one he threw for most yards ALL TIME IN SB GAMES AS A 40 YEAR OLD MAN.

I hate that faggit and his team but he's damn near faultless in those loses.

"Damn near faultless" includes "losing a fumble on the game-deciding drive" of course. :mjlol:

And say, "2 out of 3 of Brady's losses were fukkin miracles" when his offense only scored 14 points and 13 points in those two. :mjlol:


And if you're going to say that losses aren't his fault, why he get praise for wins that weren't his fault?

Superbowl XXXIX: Only passed for 236 yards, rushed for -1, fumbled, offense only scored 24 points (and one of the TDs was just a 37-yard drive off a fumble) but defense won the game.

Superbowl XVVI: Only passed for 276 yards, rushed for 0, threw a pick, got a safety due to intentional grounding, offense only scored 17 points, lost

Superbowl XXXVIII: Good game, but still would have lost if Vinatieri doesn't hit the 41-yard FG with 9 seconds left.

Superbowl XXXVI: This is the biggest one. Only 16-27 for 145 yards and 1 td. Offense only scored 13 points, and the only TD drive was just 40 yards following a fumble. Brady by all accounts DESERVED to lose, but his defense held Kurt Warner to 17 points, Ty Law returened a pick for a TD, and Vinatieri hits a 48-yard FG at the horn to win. And they wouldn't even have been there if not for the "tuck rule" and a 45-yard game-tying FG in regulation and 25-yard game-winning FG in overtime by Vinatieri.

Superbowl XLII: Another mediocre game, threw a ton but most of them went for nothing, 29-48 for 266 yards and 1 td along with a fumble. Offense only scored 14 points. Lost.

Superbowl LII: Good game, but yeah he fumbled away the ball on the potential game-winning drive. Lost.

Superbowl XLIX: Was shyt until the 4th quarter, just 23-36 for 194 yards and two picks and only 14 points. If the Patriots' defense doesn't hold the Seahawks to 3-and-out, 3-and-out, and then the interception at the goalline, then it just would have been another underwhelming loss.

Superbowl LII: Brady piled up the yards by throwing 62 passes but actually had a terrible first half and only threw for two TDs the whole game (as well as a pick). Patriots needed a total collapse from Atlanta to win this game.


It's easy to pick apart Brady's Super Bowl record. The truth is, he's had a coach and a team that has put him in position to get the glory over and over. If Atlanta doesn't collapse, Seahawks don't make a WOAT play call at the end, defense lets up an extra TD against McNabb or Warner, Vinatieri doesn't hit a game-winning FG, Brady could be 0-8 right now. He has NEVER had a dominating, sure-fire win in the Super Bowl, just a lot of games where he played barely good enough and his team came through (or didn't).
 

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"Damn near faultless" includes "losing a fumble on the game-deciding drive" of course. :mjlol:

And say, "2 out of 3 of Brady's losses were fukkin miracles" when his offense only scored 14 points and 13 points in those two. :mjlol:


And if you're going to say that losses aren't his fault, why he get praise for wins that weren't his fault?

Superbowl XXXIX: Only passed for 236 yards, rushed for -1, fumbled, offense only scored 24 points (and one of the TDs was just a 37-yard drive off a fumble) but defense won the game.

Superbowl XVVI: Only passed for 276 yards, rushed for 0, threw a pick, got a safety due to intentional grounding, offense only scored 17 points, lost

Superbowl XXXVIII: Good game, but still would have lost if Vinatieri doesn't hit the 41-yard FG with 9 seconds left.

Superbowl XXXVI: This is the biggest one. Only 16-27 for 145 yards and 1 td. Offense only scored 13 points, and the only TD drive was just 40 yards following a fumble. Brady by all accounts DESERVED to lose, but his defense held Kurt Warner to 17 points, Ty Law returened a pick for a TD, and Vinatieri hits a 48-yard FG at the horn to win. And they wouldn't even have been there if not for the "tuck rule" and a 45-yard game-tying FG in regulation and 25-yard game-winning FG in overtime by Vinatieri.

Superbowl XLII: Another mediocre game, threw a ton but most of them went for nothing, 29-48 for 266 yards and 1 td along with a fumble. Offense only scored 14 points. Lost.

Superbowl LII: Good game, but yeah he fumbled away the ball on the potential game-winning drive. Lost.

Superbowl XLIX: Was shyt until the 4th quarter, just 23-36 for 194 yards and two picks and only 14 points. If the Patriots' defense doesn't hold the Seahawks to 3-and-out, 3-and-out, and then the interception at the goalline, then it just would have been another underwhelming loss.

Superbowl LII: Brady piled up the yards by throwing 62 passes but actually had a terrible first half and only threw for two TDs the whole game (as well as a pick). Patriots needed a total collapse from Atlanta to win this game.


It's easy to pick apart Brady's Super Bowl record. The truth is, he's had a coach and a team that has put him in position to get the glory over and over. If Atlanta doesn't collapse, Seahawks don't make a WOAT play call at the end, defense lets up an extra TD against McNabb or Warner, Vinatieri doesn't hit a game-winning FG, Brady could be 0-8 right now. He has NEVER had a dominating, sure-fire win in the Super Bowl, just a lot of games where he played barely good enough and his team came through (or didn't).
I like how you completely leave out Brady’s fourth quarter numbers from the Seahawks and Falcons games :mjlol:. Brady could be 8-0, could be 0-8, shyt happens in one game playoffs. 5-3 seems about right considering the bounces that went for and against him:yeshrug:

I can do the same with LeBron considering 2 of his 3 championships were decided in the last 30 seconds of game 7 of the Finals. Bron could be sitting at 1-7 in the Finals or 2-6
 

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btw gretzky lost a stanley cup finals with the kings. you can be the greatest in your sport and lose a championship :yeshrug:
Didnt he lose to the Islanders in 83 as well, before they finally dethroned them in 84?
 

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I like how you completely leave out Brady’s fourth quarter numbers from the Seahawks and Falcons games :mjlol:. Brady could be 8-0, could be 0-8, shyt happens in one game playoffs. 5-3 seems about right considering the bounces that went for and against him:yeshrug:

I can do the same with LeBron considering 2 of his 3 championships were decided in the last 30 seconds of game 7 of the Finals. Bron could be sitting at 1-7 in the Finals or 2-6
Or 5-3 if his horses didn't go down in '15 or if KD doesn't make the pussiest move by a superstar in the history of sports last year.
 
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Seriously? People bringing up Wayne Gretzky the guy who holds every meaningful record in hockey history by a wide margin :mjlol:

Brady is not even close to that level. He's never been a dominant force like MJ or Gretzky.

Also, I'm not a big LeBron fan or defender at all. But how many times has his team lost when they were the clear favorite headed into the series?

He wasn't the favorite against the Spurs in '03 and the two times they lost to the Warriors he wasn't the favorite either.

The Patriots have been the favorite in every Super Bowl except the first Rams game.
 
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