Saysumthinfunnymike
VOTE!!!
Patriots were favored over the Giants twice and lost. First one was 12 point favorite. They were 18-0. Lost. This year they were a nine point favorite and lost by 8. 
Why don't people use the same argument for Tom Brady that they do Lebron James?
- Thread starter Ohene
- Start date
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
"Damn near faultless" includes "losing a fumble on the game-deciding drive" of course.
And say, "2 out of 3 of Brady's losses were fukkin miracles" when his offense only scored 14 points and 13 points in those two.
And if you're going to say that losses aren't his fault, why he get praise for wins that weren't his fault?
Superbowl XXXIX: Only passed for 236 yards, rushed for -1, fumbled, offense only scored 24 points (and one of the TDs was just a 37-yard drive off a fumble) but defense won the game.
Superbowl XVVI: Only passed for 276 yards, rushed for 0, threw a pick, got a safety due to intentional grounding, offense only scored 17 points, lost
Superbowl XXXVIII: Good game, but still would have lost if Vinatieri doesn't hit the 41-yard FG with 9 seconds left.
Superbowl XXXVI: This is the biggest one. Only 16-27 for 145 yards and 1 td. Offense only scored 13 points, and the only TD drive was just 40 yards following a fumble. Brady by all accounts DESERVED to lose, but his defense held Kurt Warner to 17 points, Ty Law returened a pick for a TD, and Vinatieri hits a 48-yard FG at the horn to win. And they wouldn't even have been there if not for the "tuck rule" and a 45-yard game-tying FG in regulation and 25-yard game-winning FG in overtime by Vinatieri.
Superbowl XLII: Another mediocre game, threw a ton but most of them went for nothing, 29-48 for 266 yards and 1 td along with a fumble. Offense only scored 14 points. Lost.
Superbowl LII: Good game, but yeah he fumbled away the ball on the potential game-winning drive. Lost.
Superbowl XLIX: Was shyt until the 4th quarter, just 23-36 for 194 yards and two picks and only 14 points. If the Patriots' defense doesn't hold the Seahawks to 3-and-out, 3-and-out, and then the interception at the goalline, then it just would have been another underwhelming loss.
Superbowl LII: Brady piled up the yards by throwing 62 passes but actually had a terrible first half and only threw for two TDs the whole game (as well as a pick). Patriots needed a total collapse from Atlanta to win this game.
It's easy to pick apart Brady's Super Bowl record. The truth is, he's had a coach and a team that has put him in position to get the glory over and over. If Atlanta doesn't collapse, Seahawks don't make a WOAT play call at the end, defense lets up an extra TD against McNabb or Warner, Vinatieri doesn't hit a game-winning FG, Brady could be 0-8 right now. He has NEVER had a dominating, sure-fire win in the Super Bowl, just a lot of games where he played barely good enough and his team came through (or didn't).
at this half-truth, selective ass nonsense. Y'all LeBron stans truly are the worst.
Dwight Howard
Superstar
the nature of the game. inferior teams win in the superbowl all the time. its 1 game and teams can get lucky like the 07 giants. also, individual players can make far more of an impact in the nba. also....brady 5-3 and is regarded as the goat qb...only bron fans think bron is the goat.
Last edited:
Jim Brown>Tom Brady
Lawrence Taylor>Tom Brady
Lawrence Taylor>Tom Brady
Biscayne
Ocean air
I see nothing but facts and statistics here. If folks want to use facts and stats to pick apart LeBron resume, I think the same is fair here. You broke it down."Damn near faultless" includes "losing a fumble on the game-deciding drive" of course.
And say, "2 out of 3 of Brady's losses were fukkin miracles" when his offense only scored 14 points and 13 points in those two.
And if you're going to say that losses aren't his fault, why he get praise for wins that weren't his fault?
Superbowl XXXIX: Only passed for 236 yards, rushed for -1, fumbled, offense only scored 24 points (and one of the TDs was just a 37-yard drive off a fumble) but defense won the game.
Superbowl XVVI: Only passed for 276 yards, rushed for 0, threw a pick, got a safety due to intentional grounding, offense only scored 17 points, lost
Superbowl XXXVIII: Good game, but still would have lost if Vinatieri doesn't hit the 41-yard FG with 9 seconds left.
Superbowl XXXVI: This is the biggest one. Only 16-27 for 145 yards and 1 td. Offense only scored 13 points, and the only TD drive was just 40 yards following a fumble. Brady by all accounts DESERVED to lose, but his defense held Kurt Warner to 17 points, Ty Law returened a pick for a TD, and Vinatieri hits a 48-yard FG at the horn to win. And they wouldn't even have been there if not for the "tuck rule" and a 45-yard game-tying FG in regulation and 25-yard game-winning FG in overtime by Vinatieri.
Superbowl XLII: Another mediocre game, threw a ton but most of them went for nothing, 29-48 for 266 yards and 1 td along with a fumble. Offense only scored 14 points. Lost.
Superbowl LII: Good game, but yeah he fumbled away the ball on the potential game-winning drive. Lost.
Superbowl XLIX: Was shyt until the 4th quarter, just 23-36 for 194 yards and two picks and only 14 points. If the Patriots' defense doesn't hold the Seahawks to 3-and-out, 3-and-out, and then the interception at the goalline, then it just would have been another underwhelming loss.
Superbowl LII: Brady piled up the yards by throwing 62 passes but actually had a terrible first half and only threw for two TDs the whole game (as well as a pick). Patriots needed a total collapse from Atlanta to win this game.
It's easy to pick apart Brady's Super Bowl record. The truth is, he's had a coach and a team that has put him in position to get the glory over and over. If Atlanta doesn't collapse, Seahawks don't make a WOAT play call at the end, defense lets up an extra TD against McNabb or Warner, Vinatieri doesn't hit a game-winning FG, Brady could be 0-8 right now. He has NEVER had a dominating, sure-fire win in the Super Bowl, just a lot of games where he played barely good enough and his team came through (or didn't).
For the record, I still think Brady is the goat QB and LBJ is the 2nd greatest player of all time.
Brady could be 8-0, could be 0-8, shyt happens in one game playoffs. 5-3 seems about right considering the bounces that went for and against him
I can do the same with LeBron considering 2 of his 3 championships were decided in the last 30 seconds of game 7 of the Finals. Bron could be sitting at 1-7 in the Finals or 2-6
Exactly, Brady could be 0-8 or he could be 8-0 depending on a lot of bounces he had nothing to do with, which suggests that Super Bowl record is an idiotic end-all to use as a determine of who is the GOAT.
And 3-5 or 4-4 looks closer to "about right" to me. He won a game putting only 13 points on the board and that doesn't even count the Falcons' collapse, the Seahawks' blown game, or the mediocre game against McNabb.
There's four games he easily should have lost, but you want them to be cancelled out by two losses where his offense only put up 14 points and 17 points, just cause those two loses were close.
As far as Lebron, yeah, he realistically could be 1-7 with some more bad bounces. He also realistically could be 5-3 with a couple good bounces. Again, suggesting Finals record an idiotic way to crown who an All-time great and who isn't.
The biggest difference between Brady and Lebron is that Brady ALWAYS had a coach and a squad who put him in position to win. 90% of the time he hasn't had to worry about porous defenses, WRs who can't catch, or a coach who didn't know what he was doing. That's why every time, whether Brady had a good game or a bad game, he always had a chance to win in the end. Meanwhile, Lebron has had four years (2007, 20014, 2015, 2017) where the way squads and injuries fell out, there was no way in hell he was winning no matter how he played.
I see nothing but facts and statistics here. If folks want to use facts and stats to pick apart LeBron resume, I think the same is fair here. You broke it down.
For the record, I still think Brady is the goat QB and LBJ is the 2nd greatest player of all time.
I think Brady is an incredible player but I doubt he succeeds like this if he was under anyone other than Belichek. I just can't put him on top with all the cheating shyt.
Incidentally, I'm a lifelong 49ers fan but I can't put Montana on top either - he benefited so much from the West Coast Offense and being at the right place in the right time.
I don't have a single #1 GOAT, but ballers like John Elway, Steve Young, Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Peyton Manning, and Donovan McNabb had to make it work wherever they were at. I'd put Brady somewhere in the middle of them and Montana behind them. I know that's a controversial opinion, but in football certain players have benefited a TON from narratives that had a lot more to do with coaching and schemes and situation than with their play.
It happens in bball too, but it's worse in football because the squads are so much larger and coaching matters so much more, that so much success is determined by factors far outside of what any individual player does.
Bron stans thought it was gonna be not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4.
BRADY WON 5, JOE WON 4
MJ WON 6, BRON WON 3.
WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?
Since it won’t happen they counting finals appearances. That reality hit hard then a bytchBiscayne
Ocean air
I can't disagree here. You could throw Rodgers in that group as well. He makes the system work rafter than vice versa. All those guys you listed can put up stats in any system. Truth.
WAAAAAAYYYYYYY too much sense was made in this post, way too much. You know The Coli struggles wit sense-makin mfs like yourselfExactly, Brady could be 0-8 or he could be 8-0 depending on a lot of bounces he had nothing to do with, which suggests that Super Bowl record is an idiotic end-all to use as a determine of who is the GOAT.
And 3-5 or 4-4 looks closer to "about right" to me. He won a game putting only 13 points on the board and that doesn't even count the Falcons' collapse, the Seahawks' blown game, or the mediocre game against McNabb.
There's four games he easily should have lost, but you want them to be cancelled out by two losses where his offense only put up 14 points and 17 points, just cause those two loses were close.
As far as Lebron, yeah, he realistically could be 1-7 with some more bad bounces. He also realistically could be 5-3 with a couple good bounces. Again, suggesting Finals record an idiotic way to crown who an All-time great and who isn't.
The biggest difference between Brady and Lebron is that Brady ALWAYS had a coach and a squad who put him in position to win. 90% of the time he hasn't had to worry about porous defenses, WRs who can't catch, or a coach who didn't know what he was doing. That's why every time, whether Brady had a good game or a bad game, he always had a chance to win in the end. Meanwhile, Lebron has had four years (2007, 20014, 2015, 2017) where the way squads and injuries fell out, there was no way in hell he was winning no matter how he played.
staticshock
Veteran
Because they are cacs and don’t want to see black excellence.
I look sideways at any poster who always criticizes LeBron like that cac @Stick Up Kid
I look sideways at any poster who always criticizes LeBron like that cac @Stick Up Kid
what you think of the bills? or the braves?
BlueHeffner
Veteran
Lebron stans
When. They. Have. Nothing
Lebron should be compared to Peyton instead of Brady
When. They. Have. Nothing
Lebron should be compared to Peyton instead of Brady
Piff Perkins
Veteran
LeBron would never tolerate playing for a great coach like Bellicheck.