Why hasn't Rap had a Classic album in the last 10 years?

[Evil Grandson]

Certified:
GKMC
MBDTF
Take Care
Flockaveli
Teflon Don
Finally Rich

Will be one later on:
DS2
FHD
Rodeo


Arguable:
IYRTTL
Damn

 

[Piff Perkins]

I feel where you are coming from, but using this argument can’t one also argue that Chief Keef has a classic rap album with Finally Rich?

Here’s a teenager that spearheaded his way into the mainstream and became the face of an entire sub-genre of rap, drill music, that took the game by storm. He broadcasted the environment of Chicago in a pretty unique (and counterproductive ) way, dropped singles from it (I Don’t Like and Love Sosa) that became anthems not only in Chicago but pretty much the whole U.S. for a good minute.

Kanye felt so compelled by his shyt that he felt he needed to ride the wave, these lil nikkas like Lil Pump and 69 or whatever are pretty much the offspring of Keef. 2012-2013 Keef is easily one of the most impactful and influential artists this decade.

Y’all willing to accept Keef having a classic album under this criteria?

And in turn, wouldn’t this make Waka’s Flockaveli a classic album as well?

I'd argue Chief Keef has been one of the most influential rappers of the last decade, despite drill being dead/irrelevant. In terms of Finally Rich...would his fans even label that a classic though? Seems like his mixtapes and loosies were more impactful, and included Love Sosa and I Don't Like beforehand.

In terms of Flockaveli yea, I'd argue it's a classic. Production wise, how many albums had more impact than that and DS2 over the last decade?

To me, "classic" doesn't strictly mean "really good or flawless album." I don't like 808s And Heartbreaks or Flockaveli that much....but I can't deny the impact. On the flip I think Freddie Gibbs' Pinata is an amazing album and a personal classic but what impact did it have? Eh..

 

[NoHalfWay]

I'd argue Chief Keef has been one of the most influential rappers of the last decade, despite drill being dead/irrelevant. In terms of Finally Rich...would his fans even label that a classic though? Seems like his mixtapes and loosies were more impactful, and included Love Sosa and I Don't Like beforehand.

In terms of Flockaveli yea, I'd argue it's a classic. Production wise, how many albums had more impact than that and DS2 over the last decade?

To me, "classic" doesn't strictly mean "really good or flawless album." I don't like 808s And Heartbreaks or Flockaveli that much....but I can't deny the impact. On the flip I think Freddie Gibbs' Pinata is an amazing album and a personal classic but what impact did it have? Eh..

So we agree that albums with enough impact and influence on the culture to be objectively deemed “classic” by a general consensus can still be inferior to amazing albums that don’t have that appeal?

Cuz Flockaveli doesn’t even crack my top 3 of 2010 projects but... well, there it is

 

[Ohene]

good kid maad city
watch the throne
my beautiful dark twisted fantasy
shadow of a doubt
ds2
man on the moon
take acre (i guess)
deeper than rap
pinata
barter 6
finally rich

theres a decent amt and thats excluding mixtapes like:
tha tour
lincoln way nights
live love asap
4eva and a day
rich forever
fno
56 nights
etc
etc
etc

 

[Piff Perkins]

So we agree that albums with enough impact and influence on the culture to be objectively deemed “classic” by a general consensus can still be inferior to amazing albums that don’t have that appeal?

Cuz Flockaveli doesn’t even crack my top 3 of 2010 projects but... well, there it is

Yes. Everyone's concept of "classic" varies but my main interest is in influence/impact, with quality of the music being important but not the most important thing. Flockaveli is whatever to me...but the beats are undeniably dope, and the impact/influence is real.

I think the general concept of classic hip hop is very east coast biased, with a bit of the obvious west coast stuff thrown in (Doggystyle, Chronic). Truth be told if we really wanna keep it a buck, 3 6 Mafia's shyt has had way more impact on rap music in general than most of the post-94 east coast stuff we generally accept as being classic.


I hear way more Lord Infamous influence in rap today than Biggie...

 

[ManBearPig]

Freddie gibbs and kendrick lamar made sure that statement is false

 

[ManBearPig]

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
good kid, m.A.A. city
Rodeo
My Krazy Life
1999
To Pimp A Butterfly
DAMN.

Classics

1999 a classic mixtape.

 

[ManBearPig]

Killer Mike's R.A.P. Music should be considered

El-P is a God

 

[ManBearPig]

Barely a top 3 project from Gibbs

That shyt was by far his best shyt. Stop it

 

[tremonthustler1]

That shyt was by far his best shyt. Stop it

I prefer BFK absolutely over Pinata and sometimes Cold Day In Hell depending on my mood

 

[Taadow]

Hip hop been trash, by and large, starting in 97.
Coincidentally, 97 saw the rise of the South with No Limit.

But while you BOOWLsheeitin'...No Limit has a few classic albums...

 

[mobbinfms]

Clams Casino's biggest influence is Mobb Deep and...
The sound at 0:17 on "Bass" reminds me of the beginning sound on "The Money".

That album don’t sound nothing like Mobb Deep.
That’s a Knee Deep sample Breh :prodigylol:
On the Mobb record. I don’t hear it on Bass.

 

[Trilogy]

1999 a classic mixtape.

Same difference

 

[mobbinfms]

That shyt FLAMES breh

for puttin me on the shyt, never heard it before

Mobb got all kinda hidden gems

Check this album out if you haven’t. Second disc is all “unreleased” Infamous era shyt. :psalute:

 

[Taadow]

Good Kid, m.a.d. City (sp?)

Is the last classic rap album there was, and I say this as a person who isn't crazy about it.

I even agree with those that say we consume music differently now, so we rate it differently.
But in a way, that's kinda why GKMC is the last classic album rated by the Wax Age Archetype.
"Classics" have everything to do with how we (and by "we" I mean "everybody") consume/accept the work...