Why I'm worried about youth unemployment

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Most low-skilled workers do not compete for the same jobs low-skilled immigrants do. You can't hurt someone that doesn't want to apply for the position.

Yes they do, it's not just job displacement, even in situations where there is no job displacement having excess workers keep wages low

The other issue is that you have to seperate illegal immigrants from legal immigrants, illegal immigration is the problem
 

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Yes they do, it's not just job displacement, even in situations where there is no job displacement having excess workers keep wages low

The other issue is that you have to seperate illegal immigrants from legal immigrants, illegal immigration is the problem

They don't displace the workers because MOST of the native workers don't pursue the job as much as immigrants do because of the low wages, the hazards, and the social stigma behind the jobs.

Immigration only plays a small factor in wages. You are assuming without a doubt removing immigrants from low-skilled jobs would immediately cause employers to increase wages to attract native workers. But raising wages may force business to actually eliminate jobs, or substitute jobs with technology and other norms of production.

You're not going to stop a business owner from being "greedy" in terms of finding cheap ways to profit.
 

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They don't displace the workers because MOST of the native workers don't pursue the job as much as immigrants do because of the low wages, the hazards, and the social stigma behind the jobs.

like i just explained what you are doing is combining low skilled workers and skilled workers, it is true that low skilled immigrant do not displace most native workers, but they do displace and reduce wages of low skilled native workers

so your statement is correct in an overall sense, but it is not correct when its applied to the specific demographic of low skilled workers with low education

and all those win win type of descriptions of immigration all do that by ignoring or downplaying the impact on low skilled workers

Immigration only plays a small factor in wages.

but it is a factor, you are trying to say that it isnt

You are assuming without a doubt removing immigrants from low-skilled jobs would immediately cause employers to increase wages to attract native workers

im not assuming any such thing, all im saying is that the law of supply and demand applies to the labor force, and a flow of low skilled labor will have downward pressure in wages

But raising wages may force business to actually eliminate jobs, or substitute jobs with technology and other norms of production.

yeah, and?

that's more reason why its a lie that we need low skilled immigration

You're not going to stop a business owner from being "greedy" in terms of finding cheap ways to profit.

and you cant stop people from stealing cars either, that doesnt mean you shouldn't enforce the laws

what i am saying is that immigration laws should be enforced as opposed to giving amnesty to ilelgal aliens and increasing the flow of low skilled immigrants
 

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Job automation will kill everyone's pockets in 20 years.
 

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But basically I don't give a fuk about how it impacts political parties, let's say the republicans were using it to rule up racist whites, so what?

I'm not a democrat, I don't care

what I do know is that anybody that laughs at the impact of low skilled immigration on black unemployment and in this case youth unemployment is full of shyt

Which would be most internet liberals. :yeshrug: Folks have been talking about this since before the economy imploded in 2008, and it's still falling on deaf ears.
 

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They don't displace the workers because MOST of the native workers don't pursue the job as much as immigrants do because of the low wages, the hazards, and the social stigma behind the jobs.

It's hard out here. I won't go into details, I will just say that native workers aren't hired but illegals and those who look like illegals are more actively pursued. There's a problem out here, and characterizing native workers as arrogant towards the jobs they will pursue when shyt gets ugly ... that doesn't help shyt.

Little Molly Sunshine the hipster can talk about social stigma.

Ms. Maggie Realworld should be able to talk about wanting to do what she needs to do in order to feed her family, but being passed over because she doesn't speak Spanish, and/or isn't a family member from the Old Country (name your third world middle eastern, asian or central american shythole). That social stigma argument only works when jobs are plentiful. They are not.
 

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like i just explained what you are doing is combining low skilled workers and skilled workers, it is true that low skilled immigrant do not displace most native workers, but they do displace and reduce wages of low skilled native workers

You can't displace someone that doesn't pursue the same position as you and businesses decide the worth of what wages to pay their employees. Not immigrants.

so your statement is correct in an overall sense, but it is not correct when its applied to the specific demographic of low skilled workers with low education

I am speaking on the specific demographic. And I'll say it again MOST native's (including African-Americans) do not pursue the same jobs that low-skilled immigrants purse:

In fact African-Americans are not as negatively impacted by low-skilled immigration as you would like to think:

Moreover, when one considers how immigration affects different groups of American workers who may be the most likely to compete with immigrants, the positive story still holds true. Research finds that as immigrants enter the labor market, African Americans respond to these changes in the workforce by moving up to higher-skilled—and presumably higher-paying—jobs. In fact, African Americans are three times more likely to transition to higher-skilled jobs as a result of immigration than non-African American workers. Recent evidence similarly shows that an increase in immigration of the magnitude implied by S. 744 would increase the earnings of more educated Hispanic women and men by 1.1 percent and 2.25 percent, respectively.

http://www.americanprogress.org/iss...american-workers-wages-and-job-opportunities/


and all those win win type of descriptions of immigration all do that by ignoring or downplaying the impact on low skilled workers

Some low-skilled workers are impacted but the margin is much smaller than suggested.



but it is a factor, you are trying to say that it isnt

I'll rephrase that then, Immigration's impact on wages is a small factor that African-American's should not be making themselves so overly-concerned about.


im not assuming any such thing, all im saying is that the law of supply and demand applies to the labor force, and a flow of low skilled labor will have downward pressure in wages

And having a shortage of laborers willing to work jobs that no one else pursues dries up businesses and jobs and that's neither good for the economy or African-Americans.


yeah, and?

that's more reason why its a lie that we need low skilled immigration

See above post

and you cant stop people from stealing cars either, that doesnt mean you shouldn't enforce the laws

I agree that there should be a comprehensive law to deal with illegal immigrants that come into the workforce.....excluding deportation (in some cases).

what i am saying is that immigration laws should be enforced as opposed to giving amnesty to ilelgal aliens and increasing the flow of low skilled immigrants

Well there are people who have been here for years illegally and I think it would be a serious waste of tax-payer money and time to try and find and round up every single one of them, enforce the law, and kick them out.

If they've been working, paying taxes, avoiding serious crimes then the illegal status should be removed because their efforts have granted them the pardon.
 
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Also important to note, we have negative birth rates, there are as many kids now as there were in 1800, we're literally fukking the future of our society over. so these decrepit baby boomers can continue raping the world
Well many of you have shunned families so you can live in demonic squalor and degrade one another with sexual immorality.

What you do with your body isnt hurting anyone.. Just the future generations.

Its so demonic, friends. :sitdown:
 

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Why do you think they are developing all of these urban warfare technologies and going through the drills? When the youth feel they have no hope, society often gets rocked.
 
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