Why is EPMDs influence on Hip Hop so slept on?

[Art Barr]

No, you don't know what i'm alluding to.

I'll be more direct...do you consider The RZA a biter of Dr. Dre for sampling the same song Dre did?

...and try to awnser this in 50 words or less.

You just trying to go down the rabbit hole on the slippery slope.
I answered the issue as best you could want it answered.
In regards to what you wanna know via the argument of the goal post being moved for dre and rza that is a whole nother discussion. That you know to ask me this question because I have talked about how they have rewritten history to put dre in a better light. In regards to rza, he lost his entire setup just like tip. So, you would have to put this discussion in the proper context.
to what you guys accept as culturally responsible.
All cause in general no one is holding the principal of dre culturally responsible in the manner they used to.
Not to mention there is the exact song you are mentioning the era and the like. Which you have yet to mention.
are you talking in a break beat era or sampled era.
In a sale spike marketing era etc.
So either ask the question about the record and the year.
What record are you talembout and why do you need the rza and dre as principals.
When i already gave examples of such in the dre interpolates retrospect for life discussion.
Or, how it relates to Raheem evolving into rza in the past discussion.
Like how prescient about these issues are you being given the questions and what I supplied. I already also just brought ego and nikkaz throwing their cultural weight or lack of around. Which could lead to conflict.
So what exact record are you mentioning.
Or is this some after thought situation after it became a free for all after puff damaged the protection mechanism beyond repair.
Give an example like I gave you plenty of.


Art Barr

 

[Taadow]

You just trying to go down the rabbit hole on the slippery slope.
I answered the issue as best you could want it answered.
In regards to what you wanna know via the argument of the goal post being moved for dre and rza that is a whole nother discussion. That you know to ask me this question because I have talked about how they have rewritten history to put dre in a better light. In regards to rza, he lost his entire setup just like tip. So, you would have to put this discussion in the proper context.
to what you guys accept as culturally responsible.
All cause in general no one is holding the principal of dre culturally responsible in the manner they used to.
Not to mention there is the exact song you are mentioning the era and the like. Which you have yet to mention.
are you talking in a break beat era or sampled era.
In a sale spike marketing era etc.
So either ask the question about the record and the year.
What record are you talembout and why do you need the rza and dre as principals.
When i already gave examples of such in the dre interpolates retrospect for life discussion.
Or, how it relates to Raheem evolving into rza in the past discussion.
Like how prescient about these issues are you being given the questions and what I supplied. I already also just brought ego and nikkaz throwing their cultural weight or lack of around. Which could lead to conflict.
So what exact record are you mentioning.
Or is this some after thought situation after it became a free for all after puff damaged the protection mechanism beyond repair.
Give an example like I gave you plenty of.


Art Barr

Did The RZA violate Dr. Dre by sampling "Little Ghetto Boy" in your opinion, is what i'm asking you.

 

[muzikfrk75]

This is why NY is the goat when it comes to this Hip Hop shyt. The versatility.


Hip Hop from Strong Island is pure quality.

EPMD
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Eric B & Rakim
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Mobb Deep

 

[Art Barr]

Did The RZA violate Dr. Dre by sampling "Little Ghetto Boy" in your opinion, is what i'm asking you.

Post the record, breh.
So I know the exact record.

As I know what you getting at.

Without posting the record.
This would be my rant tho.


I wanna say you mean on one of these later post mid nineties to 2000's later releases.
Where it was all interpolated mixed with real instruments a bit back.
Plus it had some singer on....
I vaguely remember eliminating that from a playlist.
If I remember right.
I was not feeling that shyt at all at that point like that.
I did not like any of the rza after the fire shyt typically till the second obfcl's stuff.

Rza after that loss just was starting from scratch and it was to much equipment and a conversion to digital out at that time to get him back to where he was.
If it was earlier in the breakbeat era, I could understand
. If it was later on after the fire,...i was not feeling that shyt personally and I think it did hurt rza's perception a bit too.
Yet he was starting from absolute square one. So that would be why he was not smashed via public negative overwhelming sentiment.

Rza has a pass system erected around him from what happened too. So you have to take into account that as well.
In my first thought tho,...
Nah not at all.
I understand the circumstances behind the pass given tho.

Art Barr

 

[Taadow]

Post the record, breh.
So I know the exact record.

As I know what you getting at.

Without posting the record.
This would be my rant tho.


I wanna say you mean on one of these later post mid nineties to 2000's later releases.
Where it was all interpolated mixed with real instruments a bit back.
Plus it had some singer on....
I vaguely remember eliminating that from a playlist.
If I remember right.
I was not feeling that shyt at all at that point like that.
I did not like any of the rza after the fire shyt typically till the second obfcl's stuff.

Rza after that loss just was starting from scratch and it was to much equipment and a conversion to digital out at that time to get him back to where he was.
If it was earlier in the breakbeat era, I could understand
. If it was later on after the fire,...i was not feeling that shyt personally and I think it did hurt rza's perception a bit too.
Yet he was starting from absolute square one. So that would be why he was not smashed via public negative overwhelming sentiment.

Rza has a pass system erected around him from what happened too. So you have to take into account that as well.
In my first thought tho,...
Nah not at all.
I understand the circumstances behind the pass given tho.

Art Barr

 

[ILLMMORTAL]

The Convicts where from the South..I see you overlooked that as well.

And EMPD didnt influence G Funk.

Eric Sermon just happen to be one of the first rappers to sample funk..

Teach these nikkaz some history!

 

[ILLMMORTAL]

Get ur shyt straight before u speak on golden era hiphop! Go learn the history then speak,nikka!

 

[smokeurobinson]

That doesn't change my statement/point.

If Erick and Parrish never existed, "More Bounce To The Ounce" and "Jungle Boogie"
are still getting sampled. It's a reach to say every song that sampled them did so strictly
because EPMD did it.

Your whole argument is based on an alternative universe that doesnt exist.


Why did u limit your "butterfly effect" theory to just who would be sampling music in the 90's? . If i go back in time and stop eric and parrishs births who's to say that doesnt cause a rupture in the time space continuium because E & P were supposed to be here and being that they now are not the rupture has caused events to unfold that wouldnt unfold had Eric and P been born.


In the real world, Parish was conceived months before Martin Luther King Jrs death. But in your alternative universe where Parish is never born, because Parish was never conceived it affected the atmosphere and the bullet that was supposed to kill Martin Luther King just nicks him and he lives. As a matter fact, he lives and is still alive in the year 2017 and he's 88 years old and he looks younger then Al Sharpton. He's on that Farrakhan diet that got him looking good at an old age. Remember that episode of The Boondocks? Well if Parish is never born the butterfly effect is that MLK lives and Black history between1968 - 2017 that we all know changes all together.

How come you didnt throw that scenrieo in your butterfly effect theory???

 

[ILLMMORTAL]

Geto Boys I hate that snitch 1988 then Epmd's Brothers on my jock1990 then Ghostface Daytona 500! OVERSIGHT Go learn that history nikka!

 

[KilabeatZ]

PMD, the Hardcore in "Hardcore Funk":

 

[Taadow]

Your whole argument is based on an alternative universe that doesnt exist.


Why did u limit your "butterfly effect" theory to just who would be sampling music in the 90's? . If i go back in time and stop eric and parrishs births who's to say that doesnt cause a rupture in the time space continuium because E & P were supposed to be here and being that they now are not the rupture has caused events to unfold that wouldnt unfold had Eric and P been born.


In the real world, Parish was conceived months before Martin Luther King Jrs death. But in your alternative universe where Parish is never born, because Parish was never conceived it affected the atmosphere and the bullet that was supposed to kill Martin Luther King just nicks him and he lives. As a matter fact, he lives and is still alive in the year 2017 and he's 88 years old and he looks younger then Al Sharpton. He's on that Farrakhan diet that got him looking good at an old age. Remember that episode of The Boondocks? Well if Parish is never born the butterfly effect is that MLK lives and Black history between1968 - 2017 that we all know changes all together.

How come you didnt throw that scenrieo in your butterfly effect theory???

All these words, for nothing...

I'll ask you the same thing I asked Art:

do you think The RZA was "influenced" to sample "Little Ghetto Boy" simply because Dr. Dre did?

 

[feelosofer]

Because their popularity never really matched the influence. Like when they were coming up they were never really at the top of the charts but managed to carve out a niche. I believe all of their albums have gone gold and they've managed to do that in 3 different eras, which is pretty impressive in it's own right. But if you think of their first 3 albums, that shyt influenced almost every area outside of NY.

 

[Tom Foolery]

People don't talk about EPMD because they are not from that era. It's that simple.

People are basing their hip-hop opinions off White owned websites that know nothing of the history and lineage.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

"I make a million BUCKS"

I still remember my cuz blastin epmd to wake us up summer mornings when i was young

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

We can disagree with @Art Barr ???

ONLY if you know this culture from it's inception.....and there ain't many of us from then who post here.

Breh knows his shyt.​